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Article #6281Re: Heraldic Questions...
From: Josh Mittleman
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:11
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:11
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Greetings from Arval! Gwenllian wrote: > We are denying the Hungarians one specific charge -- which is only found > in their culture -- not the remainder of their armory. I'm afraid you are incorrect. Lord Laurel discussed this charge in the cover letter to his latest LoAR and observed that the green mount on a blue field is found throughout Europe. He returned a submission using it, despite extensive documentation. His argument, which I find moderately more palatable than Tadhg's (though no more convincing), is that he must be careful not to allow too many exceptions to the standard style rules, lest the rule system become too complex to be usable. This is the "poor, dumb, local herald" argument, which starts by insulting our officers and populace in assuming that they are too stupid to understand that a complicated art cannot be reduced to idiot-proof rules, and continues to insult the entire Society by concluding that the only solution is to reduce everything to the lowest common denominator. Your statement, Gwenllian, is also somewhat deceptive, as it suggests that the elimination of the green mount + blue field is only a minor inconvenience for SCAdians with Hungarian personae. That combination occurs in well over 80% of all recorded Hungarian armory (according to research by Stefan Laskowski). The effect is comparable to telling people with English persona that they MUST put color on color: It forbids them the most appropriate practice for their personae. =========================================================================== Arval Benicoeur mittle@watson.ibm.com
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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!math.fu-berlin.de!ira.uka.de!scsing.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!ghost.dsi.unimi.it!batcomputer!caen!destroyer!gatech!news.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!yktnews!admin!siena!mittle From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) Subject: Re: Heraldic Questions... Sender: news@watson.ibm.com (NNTP News Poster) Message-ID: <1993Jan28.161134.24619@watson.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:11:34 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <728170419.F00001@ocitor.fidonet> Nntp-Posting-Host: siena.watson.ibm.com Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center Lines: 28