🚀 go-pugleaf

LeRoy Blue <leroyblue@billon.net> writes:

> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:12:11 -0800, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill
> Z.) wrote:
>
>>kujebak <kujebak@eudoramail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 12:31 pm, nob...@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.) wrote:
>>>> Ian B MacLure <i...@svpal.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > nob...@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.) wrote in
>>>> >news:87iqrbt7xu.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net:
>>>>
>>>> >            [snip]
>>>>
>>>> >> The California Supreme Court is far less likely to be wrong than
>>>> >> random usenet posters.
<snip>
>>> But in this case the voters do have the ability to change
>>> the decision of the state Supreme Court, without having
>>> to change, or even further deliberate any of the facts ;-)
>>
>>Irrelevant - we were discussing whether or not marriage and
>>domestic partnerships were equivalent, and the California Supreme
>>Court's opinion on that is one of the best ones to go with given
>>the effort the court went to in making its decision.  This is a
>>matter of fact, not a matter of what the voters decide to do.
>>
>>Are you too daft to understand the distinction?
>
>
> Prop 8 takes the question  of equivalency out of the game and the
> question becomes what constitute a marriage. And when that happens you
> homos are SCREWED, BLUED AND TATTOOED!

Oh, so you are one of those idiots who calls anyone you can't refute
a "homo"?  Whether you like it or not, the facts are that marriage
and domestic partnerships are not equivalent.  That will be important
to some voters and not to others, but no matter what, society is not
well served when people lie about what the facts actually are.

I might also add that, even if Proposition 8 passes (and the chances of
it passing are less than 50% given the latest polls), all it will do is
to forestall the inevitable: younger voters are, according to surveys,
far less concerned about sexual orientation than older voters, and the
older ones will die off first.

We'll have a little data on that in this election - aside from moving
it to the state constitution, the wording of Proposition 8 is the same
as Proposition 22, so you'll get some idea of how much opposition
against same-sex marriage has dropped.  It won't be a definitive
measurement simply because some people do not think a detailed law
belongs in a state constitution, which some of us believe should be
only include rules about how the government operates, limitations on
what the government can do, and guarantees of basic civil
liberties. On that basis, I'd vote "no" on Proposition Eight
regardless of my opinion on same-sex marriages.