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Article #233Re: Vote NO on Prop Eight
From: Bill Z.
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:31
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:31
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Ian B MacLure <ibm@svpal.org> writes: > nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.) wrote in > news:87iqrbt7xu.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net: > > [snip] > >> The California Supreme Court is far less likely to be wrong than >> random usenet posters. > > The ultimate power to decide belongs to the people. > If the CA Constitution is changed the only recourse > the CASC would have would be to find the amendment > in violation of the US Constitution. And wouldn't that > set up an interesting situation. > Bogus argument - we weren't talking about who had "the ultimate power to decide" but rather whether civil unions are equivalent to marriage as a matter of fact. The California Supreme Court's decision stated that these were not equivalent and gave a number of reasons. Their opinion is far more likely to be factually correct then the opinion of some random assortment of people who have spent no real time thinking it through. Our system of government allows the voters to make decisions that ignore the facts, and the voters have no more ability to change what those facts actually are than they have the ability to override the laws of physics.
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