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Article #250Re: Vote NO on Prop Eight
From: kujebak
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:21
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:21
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On Dec 3, 4:45 pm, Hnic Hastogo <n.has.to...@kinky-kooks.Kom> wrote: > On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:45:58 -0800 (PST), kujebak > > <kuje...@eudoramail.com> wrote: > > >Bill Z. wrote: > >> kujebak <kuje...@eudoramail.com> writes: > > >> > Bill Z. wrote: > >> >> kujebak <kuje...@eudoramail.com> writes: > > >> >> >  Normal transmission of the HIV virus between individuals is > >> >> > entirely dependent on a specific type of sexual contact which is > >> >> > predominant among homosexual men. > > >> >> Would you care to revise that statement?  It is the "entirely" part > >> >> that is wrong.  The probability of infection per sex act is highest > >> >> for one particular sexual practice, but it is not zero for other > >> >> ones, including ones common among heterosexuals. > > >> >> It's bad form to send out messages that suggest something is > >> >> completely safe when it isn't. > > >> > That was not my point. My point was that normal sex > >> > among homosexual men is far more risky, with respect > >> > to HIV transmission, than normal sex (including oral sex) > >> > among heterosexuals, to the tune of something like 20% > >> > for the former compared to one tenth of one percent for > >> > the latter. What is *your* point? That HIV is not just a pro- > >> > blem of homosexual lifestyle? A disease that spreads > >> > in the human population predominantly by anal intercourse? > >> > How could it not be? > > >> My point was that what you wrote, regardless of what you probably > >> meant, was wrong.  If you weren't a jerk (as you turned out to be) > >> you would have merely posted a correction: your use of the word > >> "entirely" meant that the risk for any other type of sexual activity > >> was zero and that simply isn't the case. > > >> You claimed to have some health care experience. If so, you should > >> have realized that posting misleading information that unknowledgable > >> members of the public might see is not a good idea, particularly > >> when you state such experience up front. > > >> If you weren't so bigoted (you obviously are) you would have realized > >> what I was saying - it had nothing to do with "lifestyles" real or > >> imagined. > > >There is nothing "misleading" in what I said. I merely cut > >through decades of willful misinformation piled upon this > >subject. Your refusal to deal with facts underlying this and > >other topics - even today, it is not easy to look up actual > >HIV/AIDS statistics, which are obscured in public health > >papers and scientific publications under tons of other irrele- > >vant data, and almost never presented in the mainstream > >media, but they are there for anyone to see, who actually > >cares to look - and your quick retreat behind ideological > >labels clearly indicates where *you* are coming from ;-) > > June 27, 2008 / 57(25);681-686 > > Trends in HIV/AIDS Diagnoses Among Men Who Have Sex with Men --- 33 > States, 2001--2006 > > In 2008, CDC conducted an analysis of trends in diagnoses of human > immunodeficiency virus/acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (HIV/AIDS) > among men who have sex with men (MSM) in the 33 states* that have had > confidential, name-based HIV case reporting since at least 2001. This > report summarizes the results of that analysis, which indicated that > the number of HIV/AIDS diagnoses among MSM overall during 2001--2006 > increased 8.6% (estimated annual percentage change [EAPC] = 1.5). > During 2001--2006, an estimated 214,379 persons had HIV/AIDS diagnosed > in the 33 states. Of these diagnoses, 46% were in MSM, and 4% were in > MSM who engaged in illicit injection-drug use (IDU) (i.e., MSM and > IDU). To reduce the impact of HIV/AIDS in the United States, HIV > prevention services that aim to reduce the risk for acquiring and > transmitting infection among MSM and link infected MSM to treatment > must be expanded. > > In this report, HIV/AIDS refers to three categories of diagnoses > collectively: 1) a diagnosis of HIV infection (not AIDS), 2) a > diagnosis of HIV infection with subsequent AIDS diagnosis, and 3) > concurrent diagnoses of HIV infection and AIDS. Reporting cases of HIV > infection (not AIDS) and AIDS is now legally mandated in all U.S. > states, the District of Columbia, and five U.S. territories. The CDC > case definition for HIV infection (not AIDS) requires a positive test > result from an assay approved by the Food and Drug Administration that > demonstrates evidence of HIV infection; the case definition for AIDS > requires meeting the HIV infection (not AIDS) case definition, plus > diagnosis of at least one AIDS-defining illness or a CD4+ T-lymphocyte > count of <200 cells/µL. Using the HIV/AIDS Reporting System (HARS), > case report data were collected by local and state health department > staff members and then transmitted to CDC devoid of patient names. The > findings in this report are based on HIV/AIDS diagnoses made during > 2001--2006 and reported to CDC as of June 30, 2007 (1). > > Numbers of diagnoses were adjusted for reporting delays and for > redistribution of cases with missing risk factor information, using a > standard method that has been described previously (2). This method > does not include statistical adjustments for diagnosed but unreported > cases or for cases yet to be diagnosed. To facilitate comparisons > between the estimated number of diagnoses occurring in 2001 and the > number occurring in 2006, 95% confidence intervals (CIs) were > calculated. To examine trends, EAPCs with corresponding CIs were > calculated. EAPC measures the differences between adjacent years under > examination and then averages these inter-year differences. In this > report, transmission categories¤ are discrete (e.g., "MSM" is distinct > from "MSM and IDU" and "IDU" is distinct from "MSM and IDU"). > Accordingly, MSM who were also injection-drug users (MSM and IDU) were > excluded from analysis of MSM. > > Of 214,379 HIV/AIDS diagnoses in 33 states during 2001--2006, a total > of 97,577 (46%) were among MSM. Decreases in diagnoses were observed > in all transmission categories except MSM (excluding MSM and IDU) > (Figure 1). Among males, MSM accounted for 97,577 (63%) of cases. Men > aged 25--44 years accounted for 64% of cases among MSM (Table). Among > MSM, the number of diagnoses increased from 16,081 (CI = > 15,784--16,377) in 2001 to 17,465 (CI = 16,938--17,992) in 2006; (EAPC > = 1.5) (Figure 1). > > From 2001 to 2006, a 12.4% (EAPC = 1.9) increase in the number of > HIV/AIDS diagnoses among all black MSM was observed; however, an > increase of 93.1% (EAPC = 14.9) was observed among black MSM aged > 13--24 years (Figure 2). During 2001--2006, approximately twice as > many (7,658) diagnoses occurred in black MSM aged 13--24 years as in > their white counterparts (3,221). The largest proportionate increase > (255.6% [EAPC = 30.8]) was among Asian/Pacific Islander MSM aged > 13--24 years. Among MSM aged 13--24 years, statistically significant > increases in diagnoses as measured by EAPC were observed in all > racial/ethnic populations except American Indian/Alaska Natives. Among > MSM of all ages, statistically significant increases as measured by > EAPC were observed in blacks, Hispanics, and Asian/Pacific Islanders.¦ > > Reported by: A Mitsch, MPH, X Hu, MS, K McDavid Harrison, PhD, T > Durant, PhD, Div of HIV/AIDS Prevention, National Center for HIV/AIDS, > Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention, CDC. > Editorial Note: > > During 2001--2006, male-to-male sex remained the largest HIV > transmission category in the United States and the only one associated > with an increasing number of HIV/AIDS diagnoses. In this analysis, > statistically significant decreases in HIV/AIDS diagnoses were > observed for all other transmission categories (i.e., among persons > likely to have been infected through high-risk heterosexual contact, > IDU, MSM and IDU, and other routes). Among MSM aged 13--24 years, > statistically significant increases in diagnoses were observed in > nearly all racial/ethnic populations. These findings underscore the > need for continued effective testing and risk reduction interventions > for MSM, particularly those aged <25 years. > > The data in this report indicate when persons were diagnosed with HIV > infection, rather than when they became infected. This is an important > distinction because a person might have been infected with HIV for > years before receiving a diagnosis of HIV infection. Determining when > persons who have been diagnosed were actually infected is difficult. > Although HIV diagnosis data can provide some indication of underlying > trends in HIV infection, this approach has limitations. A greater > number of tests for HIV infection among MSM might partially explain > the observed increase in HIV/AIDS diagnoses. However, available data > suggest that these increases cannot be explained by increases in > testing alone; the increase could be attributed to more targeted > testing, increasing incidence, or some combination of these.** > > To improve the nation's ability to track new HIV infections, CDC has > established a new system for measuring incident HIV infections at the > population level. A novel laboratory method will be combined with > standard case surveillance procedures and statistical estimations to > provide a better means of estimating national HIV incidence from the > number of persons who are newly diagnosed with HIV (3). This system > will be able to distinguish between recent and long-standing HIV-1 > infection on a population level. Estimates from the new system are > expected to be available in 2008. The new system will provide a better > tool for measuring progress in the prevention of HIV infection than > data based on HIV/AIDS diagnoses alone, such as those described in > this report. Nevertheless, diagnosis data will continue to play an > important role in monitoring the HIV epidemic, particularly among > adolescents and young adults who, because of their age, are unlikely > to have been infected many years before diagnosis. Additionally, > HIV/AIDS diagnosis data will continue to provide useful information > for evaluating efforts to increase HIV testing and will allow programs > that do not conduct HIV incidence surveillance to monitor the HIV > epidemic in their local area. > > The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. > First, the 33-state case surveillance data are not representative of > all HIV-positive persons in the United States. However, the > racial/ethnic disparities described in this report are similar to > those observed in AIDS cases from all 50 states (4). Second, since > 1993, the proportion of HIV/AIDS cases reported to CDC without an > identified risk factor for HIV infection has been increasing. In 2006, > no risk factor was reported for 25% of HIV (not AIDS) adult and > adolescent cases reported to CDC (4). This results in an increasing > proportion of cases that are assigned to transmission categories > (including male-to-male sexual contact) not based on interview with > patients, but rather via statistical adjustment. Risk factor > information often is missing because patients decline to disclose > behaviors that might place them at risk for HIV transmission or are > unaware of their sex partners' high-risk behavior. Third, methods for > reporting delay adjustments have greatest uncertainty for the most > recent years' estimates of HIV/AIDS diagnoses; therefore, recent > trends should be interpreted with caution. Finally, a backlog of cases > diagnosed earlier than recorded in the data might have exaggerated the > number of diagnoses in the first 2--3 years after name-based HIV (not > AIDS) case reporting was implemented (5). For example, retrospective > ascertainment of name-based HIV case reports might have resulted in a > substantial number of cases that were recorded as diagnosed during > 2001--2002 but were actually diagnosed earlier. New York's > implementation of name-based HIV reporting in June 2000 might have > magnified the effect of this backlog on the 33-state trend analysis > because New York data represented 21% of all HIV/AIDS diagnoses during > 2001--2006. After exclusion of New York from this analysis, however, > an even larger statistically significant increase in HIV/AIDS > diagnoses among MSM was observed during 2001--2006 (EAPC = 3.1 [CI = > 2.4--3.9]). > > To reduce transmission of HIV among MSM of all races/ethnicities, > prevention strategies should be strengthened, improved, and > implemented more broadly. Testing is important in preventing HIV > transmission because it provides knowledge of one's infection status; > after persons become aware that they are HIV positive, most reduce > their high-risk sexual behavior (6). In addition, an estimated 25% of > HIV-infected persons have not received a diagnosis of HIV infection > (7). These persons represent a challenge in terms of HIV prevention > and case ascertainment. Moreover, testing is the first step to linking > persons infected with HIV to medical care. CDC recommends at least > annual testing for sexually active MSM and an "opt-out" approach for > screening of all patients aged 13--64 years in clinical settings (8). > > Ulcerative and nonulcerative sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) such > as syphilis and gonorrhea facilitate HIV transmission from infected > MSM and acquisition of HIV by noninfected MSM; therefore, screening > for STDs in private and public clinical settings is an important > component of HIV prevention in MSM (9). STD and HIV prevention efforts > should be as fully integrated as possible. Furthermore, associations > have been observed between abuse of illicit and legal drugs such as > methamphetamine and alcohol, respectively, and high-risk behavior > among MSM. Screening for substance abuse in private and public > clinical settings is an important tool for reducing HIV > transmission.  Strengthened collaborations between STD, HIV, viral > hepatitis, and substance abuse programs should result in more > effective HIV prevention efforts. > > CDC assists in the creation, development, and dissemination of > behavioral interventions for the MSM population. Recently, in > collaboration with the state health department and local organizations > in North Carolina, CDC implemented a successful intervention for young > black MSM (10). This intervention has resulted in decreases in > high-risk sexual behavior and the number of sex partners with whom > such behavior occurred. CDC recommends that state and local health > departments allocate HIV prevention resources to ensure that program > operations reflect the current state of the HIV/AIDS epidemic in the > geographic areas for which each health department is responsible. In > support of CDC's strategic goal of reducing the number of new HIV > infections in the United States,¤¤ the proportion of MSM who adopt > behaviors that reduce risk for HIV transmission must increase. > References > >   1. CDC. HIV/AIDS Reporting System (HARS) user manual. Atlanta, GA: > US Department of Health and Human Services, CDC; 2000. >   2. Green TA. Using surveillance data to monitor trends in the AIDS > epidemic. Stat Med 1998;17:143--54. >   3. Lee LM, McKenna MT. Monitoring the incidence of HIV infection in > the United States. Public Health Rep 2007;122(Suppl 1):72--9. >   4. CDC. HIV/AIDS surveillance report, 2006. Vol. 18. Atlanta, GA: > US Department of Health and Human Services, CDC; 2008:12. Available athttp://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports. >   5. Torian L, Bennani1 Y, Wethers J, Schwendemann J, Nash D. Use of > the serologic testing algorithm for recent HIV seroconversion to > assess specificity of routine surveillance to detection of incident vs > prevalent HIV: evaluation of the first 2 years of named HIV reporting, > New York City, June 1, 2000 to June 30, 2002. 11th Conference on > Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections, 2004. Session 135 poster > abstract. Available athttp://www.retroconference.org/2004/cd/abstract/964.htm. >   6. Marks G, Crepaz N, Senterfitt JW, Janssen RS. Meta-analysis of > high-risk sexual behavior in persons aware and unaware they are > infected with HIV in the United States: implications for HIV > prevention programs. J Aquir Immune Defic Syndr 2005;39:446--53. >   7. Glynn M, Rhodes P. Estimated HIV prevalence in the United States > at the end of 2003 [Abstract T1-B1101]. Programs and abstracts of the > 2005 National HIV Prevention Conference; June 12--15, 2005; Atlanta, > GA. Available athttp://www.aegis.com/conferences/nhivpc/2005/t1-b1101.html. >   8. CDC. Revised recommendations for HIV testing of adults, > adolescents, and pregnant women in health-care settings. MMWR > 2006;55(No. RR-14). >   9. Fleming DT, Wasserheit JN. From epidemiological synergy to > public health policy and practice: the contribution of other sexually > transmitted diseases to sexual transmission of HIV infection. Sex > Transm Infect 1999;75:3--17. >  10. Jones KT, Gray P, Whiteside YO, et al. Evaluation of an HIV > prevention intervention adapted for black men who have sex with men. > Am J Public Health 2008;98:1043--50. Who cares about HIV incidence among IV drug users, or different racial groups? Is there anywhere in this report a mention of the probability of HIV transmission from an HIV positive male to another man through unprotected homosex?
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