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Re: Vote NO on Prop Eight

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From: Bill Z.
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:58
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kujebak <kujebak@eudoramail.com> writes:

> Who cares about HIV incidence among IV drug users, or different
> racial groups? Is there anywhere in this report a mention of the
> probability of HIV transmission from an HIV positive male to another
> man through unprotected homosex?

You might look at 
<http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/epi_update_may_04/13-eng.php>
which claims:

      One study calculated the per-sex-act probability of HIV
      transmission in a cohort of men who have sex with men (MSM) and
      determined that for unprotected receptive anal intercourse, the
      probability was 0.82% per act, for unprotected insertive anal
      intercourse 0.06%, and for unprotected receptive oral
      intercourse with ejaculation 0.04%. This remains the only study
      available that provides a probability for oral transmission, and
      further study is required to corroborate these estimates.

Also:

      Analyses of data from North American and European studies of
      long-term heterosexual couples estimate the per-sex-act
      probability of HIV transmission through penile-vaginal
      intercourse to be approximately 0.001.

Note that 0.001 is equivalent to 0.1%.  So, the risk depends less on
whether you are gay or straight than on what sort of sex acts you do
and what sort of protection you use.


This information is not hard to find - a trivial google search was all
that was needed.  Previously you wrote "As an ex-health care worker I
feel compelled to assure you ..." (this quote was in the post
<news:6369ac2f-7573-4867-beeb-813b1d2e0c9f@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com>).
Exactly what sort of health-care experience did you have?  Changing
bed pans?  You seem to know next to nothing about the topics you are
ranting about.
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From: nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.)
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