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On Dec 3, 7:58 pm, nob...@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.) wrote:
> kujebak <kuje...@eudoramail.com> writes:
> > Who cares about HIV incidence among IV drug users, or different
> > racial groups? Is there anywhere in this report a mention of the
> > probability of HIV transmission from an HIV positive male to another
> > man through unprotected homosex?
>
> You might look at
> <http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/epi_update_may_04/13-en...>
> which claims:
>
>       One study calculated the per-sex-act probability of HIV
>       transmission in a cohort of men who have sex with men (MSM) and
>       determined that for unprotected receptive anal intercourse, the
>       probability was 0.82% per act, for unprotected insertive anal
>       intercourse 0.06%, and for unprotected receptive oral
>       intercourse with ejaculation 0.04%. This remains the only study
>       available that provides a probability for oral transmission, and
>       further study is required to corroborate these estimates.
>
> Also:
>
>       Analyses of data from North American and European studies of
>       long-term heterosexual couples estimate the per-sex-act
>       probability of HIV transmission through penile-vaginal
>       intercourse to be approximately 0.001.
>
> Note that 0.001 is equivalent to 0.1%.  So, the risk depends less on
> whether you are gay or straight than on what sort of sex acts you do
> and what sort of protection you use.
>
> This information is not hard to find - a trivial google search was all
> that was needed.  Previously you wrote "As an ex-health care worker I
> feel compelled to assure you ..." (this quote was in the post
> <news:6369ac2f-7573-4867-beeb-813b1d2e0c9f@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com>).

Isn't it interesting that you picked figures that sort of made
your point instead of those that would corroborate mine.
It is clear the 0.0082 is a statistical extrapolation from
the general male homosexual population involving sexual
contact between individuals of *undetermined* HIV status.
There is no indication in your paragraph that one of the
sex partners was known to be HIV positive. However, the
same article also states:

"The risk of HIV transmission through unprotected anal and
vaginal intercourse is well known. Estimates of the probability
of per-sex-act (receptive penile-anal intercourse with ejaculation)
HIV transmission among homosexual men in the USA range
from 0.005 to 0.03 during the asymptomatic phase of infection1
to as high as 0.1-0.3 during primary HIV infection."

Thank you for helping me close this debate ;-)

> Exactly what sort of health-care experience did you have?  Changing
> bed pans?  You seem to know next to nothing about the topics you are
> ranting about.

I used to be a medical technologist. One of the principal
reasons I got out of the profession was the irresponsibility
of the HIPAA (patient privacy) rules to health and safety
of health care workers. The HIPAA regulations surrounding
HIV/AIDS are driven to large extent by he same sort of dis-
information you are trying to disseminate here.