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kujebak <kujebak@eudoramail.com> writes:

> On Dec 3, 7:58 pm, nob...@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.) wrote:
>> kujebak <kuje...@eudoramail.com> writes:
>> > Who cares about HIV incidence among IV drug users, or different
>> > racial groups? Is there anywhere in this report a mention of the
>> > probability of HIV transmission from an HIV positive male to another
>> > man through unprotected homosex?
>>
>> You might look at
>> <http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/epi_update_may_04/13-en...>
>> which claims:
>>
>>       One study calculated the per-sex-act probability of HIV
>>       transmission in a cohort of men who have sex with men (MSM) and
>>       determined that for unprotected receptive anal intercourse, the
>>       probability was 0.82% per act, for unprotected insertive anal
>>       intercourse 0.06%, and for unprotected receptive oral
>>       intercourse with ejaculation 0.04%. This remains the only study
>>       available that provides a probability for oral transmission, and
>>       further study is required to corroborate these estimates.
>>
>> Also:
>>
>>       Analyses of data from North American and European studies of
>>       long-term heterosexual couples estimate the per-sex-act
>>       probability of HIV transmission through penile-vaginal
>>       intercourse to be approximately 0.001.
>>
>> Note that 0.001 is equivalent to 0.1%.  So, the risk depends less on
>> whether you are gay or straight than on what sort of sex acts you do
>> and what sort of protection you use.
>>
>> This information is not hard to find - a trivial google search was all
>> that was needed.  Previously you wrote "As an ex-health care worker I
>> feel compelled to assure you ..." (this quote was in the post
>> <news:6369ac2f-7573-4867-beeb-813b1d2e0c9f@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com>).
>
> Isn't it interesting that you picked figures that sort of made
> your point instead of those that would corroborate mine.

What a friggin liar you are!  You asked, "Who cares about HIV
incidence among IV drug users, or different racial groups? Is there
anywhere in this report a mention of the probability of HIV
transmission from an HIV positive male to another man through
unprotected homosex?"  I provided that data for you and showed you
that the risk for heterosexual transmission was not trivial and
that the risk for some (but not all) gay sexual acts is lower than
the risk for heterosexual intercourse.

> It is clear the 0.0082 is a statistical extrapolation from
> the general male homosexual population involving sexual
> contact between individuals of *undetermined* HIV status.

Wrong - it is a measurement of the transmission probability per
sex act given that one partner is already infected.

> There is no indication in your paragraph that one of the
> sex partners was known to be HIV positive. 

Yes there is, you friggin moron: read the article I cited.

When it said (and you quoted this) "Estimates of the probability
of per-sex-act (receptive penile-anal intercourse with ejaculation)
HIV transmission among homosexual men in the USA range
from 0.005 to 0.03 during the asymptomatic phase of infection1
to as high as 0.1-0.3 during primary HIV infection," it should
be very obvious that the article was discussing the transmission
rate per sex act betwen an infected individual and a previously
uninfected individual.

You can't even understand the stuff you try to quote!

BTW, (unprotected) receptive penile-anal intercourse is practiced only
by a fraction of the gay and straight populations. So, as I said, the
risk factors per sex act depend on what you do, not whether you are
gay or straight or somewhere in between.

>> Exactly what sort of health-care experience did you have?  Changing
>> bed pans?  You seem to know next to nothing about the topics you are
>> ranting about.
>
> I used to be a medical technologist. 

I.e., you are not a doctor, nor a researcher of any sort.

> One of the principal reasons I got out of the profession was the
> irresponsibility of the HIPAA (patient privacy) rules to health and
> safety of health care workers. The HIPAA regulations surrounding
> HIV/AIDS are driven to large extent by he same sort of dis-
> information you are trying to disseminate here.

Medical research and CDC reports are not "disinformation".
But I can tell you what you are - a complete idiot.