Re: Diane Feinstein Murdered 10,000 People Yesterday

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From: Jeffrey Siegal
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:55

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Merlin Dorfman wrote:
> : >> Bogus doesn't mean false, it means "not geniune".I
> : >
> : > The rest of us will use the Merriam-Webster definitions.
> 
> : Excuse me, but that's exactly the definition I used.  By the way, I
> : meant "false" in the sense of *provably* false in formal logic.
> 
>      And that's exactly what it is NOT--provably false.

Right.  That's what I said it is *not* (see above).  

> : A good word for an unsupported, and therefore bogus (but possibly
> : accidentally reaching a true conclusion) argument, from your definition,
> : would a "sham."
> 
>      Sham:  (Same source, <http://www.m-w.com>)
> 1 : a trick that deludes : HOAX
> 2 : cheap falseness : HYPOCRISY
> ...
> 4 : an imitation or counterfeit purporting to be genuine
> 
>      In other words, FALSE; in your terms, provably false,
> which this is not.

Sham does not mean false in the sense of provably false.  It means false
in the sense of not sincere or genuine.

Or, to put it another way in terms of formal logic, your conclusion
might not be false (in my view it probably is, but that's a separate
issue), but your *argument* (a distinct statement from the conclusion)
is certainly false.  An example of this prinicple would be Denying the
Antecedant:  "The argument that A -> B and ~A, therefore ~B." This
*argument* is itself false, but ~B could well be true, it is just not
supported.

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