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Article #333Re: Diane Feinstein Murdered 10,000 People Yesterday
From: Merlin Dorfman
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:08
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:08
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Jeffrey Siegal (jbs@quiotix.com) wrote:
: Merlin Dorfman wrote:
: > : A good word for an unsupported, and therefore bogus (but possibly
: > : accidentally reaching a true conclusion) argument, from your definition,
: > : would a "sham."
: >
: > Sham: (Same source, <http://www.m-w.com>)
: > 1 : a trick that deludes : HOAX
: > 2 : cheap falseness : HYPOCRISY
: > ...
: > 4 : an imitation or counterfeit purporting to be genuine
: >
: > In other words, FALSE; in your terms, provably false,
: > which this is not.
: Sham does not mean false in the sense of provably false. It means false
: in the sense of not sincere or genuine.
I think a hoax or hypocrisy or delusion or counterfeit is
provably false.
: Or, to put it another way in terms of formal logic, your conclusion
: might not be false (in my view it probably is, but that's a separate
: issue), but your *argument* (a distinct statement from the conclusion)
: is certainly false.
And what argument is that? I said that it was a recollection
based on education and experience, but I could not substantiate it
in the short term, and might or might not be able to subsantiate
it in the long term. Is that a false argument, or not sincere or
genuine?
: An example of this prinicple would be Denying the
: Antecedant: "The argument that A -> B and ~A, therefore ~B." This
: *argument* is itself false, but ~B could well be true, it is just not
: supported.
This is not an example of what we are discussing here; it
is an example of a logical fallacy. Like "post hoc ergo propter
hoc" or "circular reasoning." In fact, your statement is an
example of the logical fallacy called "false analogy."
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10a89e,e543bc6202429d74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a89e,public X-Google-Thread: 107d03,2cc100b5010bab12 X-Google-Attributes: gid107d03,public X-Google-Thread: f824f,2cc100b5010bab12 X-Google-Attributes: gidf824f,public X-Google-Thread: 104158,2cc100b5010bab12 X-Google-Attributes: gid104158,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-09-27 15:08:47 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!sanjose1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dorfman.a2i!dorfman From: Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@rahul.net> Newsgroups: sac.general,la.general,ba.general,talk.politics.misc Subject: Re: Diane Feinstein Murdered 10,000 People Yesterday Followup-To: sac.general,la.general,ba.general,talk.politics.misc Date: 27 Sep 2001 22:08:19 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 43 Message-ID: <9p080j$bc9$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <20010722014632.10646.00000595@ng-fz1.aol.com> <20010722041125.03679.00000704@ng-bk1.aol.com> <00d7fcff4f77636c8026f02c9a6fad37@dizum.com> <hrd0qtov6mjqhh830n28dngc3esn7msmdp@4ax.com> <9nrre3$8cm$1@usenet.Stanford.EDU> <m387qt8b545qtl24hkk78t2fld1bgi07ll@4ax.com> <9o2qo9$ch4$1@usenet.Stanford.EDU> <Xns911E8A0ED5F06VeebleFetzer@209.98.98.13> <9o2t00$c8g$1@samba.rahul.net> <j40aqtkimiouutti8cl68km8kfs0jmhua7@4ax.com> <9o3er3$ffo$1@samba.rahul.net> <3BA89211.CA8443B8@quiotix.com> <9oafg2$sdc$1@samba.rahul.net> <3BA98334.82A42A4B@quiotix.com> <9oedkl$mka$1@samba.rahul.net> <3BAACD6C.6DBAD52F@quiotix.com> <9onuha$6od$1@usenet.Stanford.EDU> <3BAF8F7D.50C8EE56@quiotix.com> <9or4vv$a8m$1@samba.rahul.net> <3BB118ED.6510C2A9@quiotix.com> <9otmte$pg5$1@samba.rahul.net> <3BB2636C.23F10E7F@quiotix.com> <9ovsq4$9a0$1@samba.rahul.net> <3BB3842C.D98A52D1@quiotix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dorfman X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]