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Article #314Re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym
From: Richard Caley
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:22
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:22
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In article <1992Nov17.221542.17555@husc3.harvard.edu>, Michael Zeleny (mz) writes: mz> Even granting your alleged ability [to find contexts to separate mz> synonyms], it is obvious that it does nothing to exclude the mz> context-dependent theories of meaning. The problem here is that the phenomenon becomes purely theoretical. You _can't_ put two phrases or whatever into the same contex for the same reason you can't put two physical objects into the same 4-space location, not enough room. mz> The best NL examples are furnished by good translations. Give me one example. Even phrases in languages I know nothing of are not interchangable unless they are phonetically _very_ similar, which is a bit of a degenerate case for synonymy. If I understand, even vaguely, one of the languages, then all kinds of contextual effects are going to ruin any equivalence you wish to set up. mz> Following Montague, I believe that deicticaly disambiguated natural mz> languages *are* formal languages. This is either empty or patently false, either way it doesn't reflect the Montague as I have seen. I think you need a different verb in that opaquely embedded phrase :-). -- rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk _O_ |<
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!mcsun!uknet!edcastle!edcogsci!cogsci!rjc From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) Newsgroups: sci.cognitive,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.lang Subject: Re: Theories of meaning not relying solely on sym Message-ID: <RJC.92Nov19162241@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Date: 19 Nov 92 16:22:41 GMT References: <1992Nov16.000040.19912@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Nov16.120727.17500@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Nov17.092016.28202@news.unige.ch> <1992Nov17.221542.17555@husc3.harvard.edu> Sender: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk Organization: Human Communication Research Center Lines: 29 In-reply-to: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu's message of 18 Nov 92 03:15:41 GMT