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Article #751Re: Whence cybernetics?
From: Jacob Galley
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1993 18:01
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1993 18:01
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I received the following reply, and figured I might as well post it. (I've added comp.ai.neural-nets to the list, since I now know it exists.) --------- Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1993 00:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Melvin Rader <radermel@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Whence cybernetics First off, I'm not posting this because I can't -- I just found this modem in the parents' computer a couple days ago, and I haven't yet figured out how to deal with my system's editor for posting to usenet. Anyway, in response to your question: By cybernetics, I take you to mean the study of neural networks and connectionist models of artificial intelligence. By no means is it dead, or even all that obscure. As an undergraduate at the Evergreen State College in Olympia, WA this year I took four credits of 'Connectionism' and another four of programming of neural networks. I believe there's a newsgroup devoted to neural networks as well. Seymour Papert has written a whimsical account of the history of network vs. symbolic approaches to artificial intelligence: "Once upon a time two daughter sciences were born to the new science of cybernetics. One sister was natural, with features inherited from the study of the brain, from the way nature does things. The other was artificial, related from the beginning to the use of computers. Each of the sister sciences tried to build models of intelligence, but from very different materials. The natural sister built models (called neural networks) out of mathematically purified neurones. The artificial sister built her models out of computer programs. "In their first bloom of youth the two were equally successful and equally pursued by suitors from other fields of knowledge. They got on very well together. Their relationship changed in the early sixties when a new monarch appeared, one with the largest coffers ever seen in the kingdom of the sciences: Lord DARPA, the Defence Department's Advanced Research Projects Agency. The artificial sister grew jealous and was determined to keep for herself the access to Lord DARPA's research funds. The natural sister would have to be slain. "The bloody work was attempted by two staunch followers of the artificial sister, Marvin Minsky and Seymour Papert, cast in the role of the huntsman sent to slay Snow White and bring back her heart as proof of the deed. Their weapon was not the dagger but the mightier pen, from which came a book - Perceptrons ..." Minsky and Papert's book did effectively kill further research into neural networks for about two decades. The thrust of the book was that with the learning algorithms that had been developed then, neural networks could only learn linearly separable problems, which are always simple (this was proved mathematically). Networks existed which could solve more complicated problems, but they had to be "hard wired" - the person setting up the network had to set it up in such a way that the network already "knew" everything that it was going to be tested on; there was no way for such a network to learn. (The book also raised some other, more philosophical concerns.) Since learning was basically the only advantage neural network models had over symbolic models (aside from an asthetic appeal due to their resemblance to natural models), research into neural networks died out. (Also, NN research is associated philosophically with behaviorism - NNs solve through association. When behaviorism died, it also helped bring down the NN field.) However, in the late 70's (I think) the 'backpropagation training algorithm' was developed. Backpropagation allows the training of neural networks which are powerful enough to solve non-linearly separable problems, although it has no natural equivalent. With the development of backpropagation, and with the association of several big names with the field, research into network models of artificial intelligence revived. I understand the term 'Connectionism' to apply to a field which draws from neural network research and research into the brain. In contrast to whatever book you were quoting from, I understand connectionist thought to be at odds with the symbolic approach to artificial intelligence. A good book to read on the subject is Connectionism and the Mind by Bechtel and Abrahamsen. It is a good introduction to connectionism and goes into the philosophy behind it all, although some of the math is off. --Kimbo -- * What's so interdisciplinary about studying lower levels of thought process? <-- Jacob Galley * gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10d04f,7068ba2bb8f56eb8,start X-Google-Attributes: gid10d04f,public X-Google-Thread: 1045ed,94aaf0c17afb47c5 X-Google-Attributes: gid1045ed,public X-Google-Thread: 10ca9b,94aaf0c17afb47c5 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ca9b,public X-Google-Thread: 10681a,94aaf0c17afb47c5 X-Google-Attributes: gid10681a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1993-07-04 11:06:03 PST Newsgroups: sci.cognitive,comp.ai.philosophy,comp.ai.neural-nets,bionet.neuroscience Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmd.de!newsserver.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!kimbark!gal2 From: gal2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley) Subject: Re: Whence cybernetics? Message-ID: <1993Jul4.180120.16659@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Reply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago References: <1993Jul4.034555.25951@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1993 18:01:20 GMT Lines: 84