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From: Marc Thibault
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:07
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:07
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In article <1992Nov17.001101.21926@ncar.ucar.edu>
(Philip Zimmermann) writes:
....
> Let me give you all some background context. This started last week,
> when I was contacted by a police detective from California who wanted
Having been well and truly hooked, it's comforting to know
that the bait was supplied by someone with Philip's
credentials. Could we restate the problem without the red
herring? Let me try.
It is normal and expected to find the forces and friends of law
enforcement (LE) working to have their convenience, power, or
budgets enhanced with the help of legislation. If possible,
this is done surreptitiously. If not, public support is sought
by appealing to a perceived greater public good and/or a need for
special powers to overcome a "really bad situation". We know
from past experience that constitutions, civil rights, etc. tend
to vaporise or get re-interpreted under this kind of attack.
It is possible (likely?) that LE will seek to limit the
general use of cryptography to make it easier (a) to identify
suspicious persons and activities, and (b) to find and use
evidence that would otherwise remain hidden. In the process,
to enlist public support, LE will seek out cases of
particularly distasteful criminal activity and attempt to link
that activity to the use of cryptography ("Crypto Madness" at
a theatre near you).
1. Is there a reasoned argument, that any newspaper will
print, that simply and clearly disarms this kind of
propoganda?
2. Is there a stronger emotional argument supporting the
widespread use of cryptography. I'm reminded of the boost
BBS'ers got from the news of the role BBS' played in the
conversion of eastern Europe.
3. Is there a positive, not-so-emotional, argument for actual
benefits, economic, social, or other?
More germane to this group:
4. Are there ways that such legislation, if passed, could be
sytematically and safely "avoided"?
5. What are the possible shapes of such legislation? Dorothy's
"Balloons" are two possibilities. The range would seem
to go from "full spectrum mindless" like the WoD, to
tightly defined, like most gun laws. What cryptographic
countermeasures would be required to deal with each
scenario?
6. If this situation is more likely than not, shouldn't we
stop playing around with big numbers and start developing
really effective steganography?
Cheers,
Marc
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!utcsri!skule.ecf!torn!nott!cunews!revcan!cerianthus!uuisis!tanda!marc From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault) Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: PGP and real criminals Message-ID: <895422983DN5.61R@tanda.isis.org> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:07:53 EST References: <1992Nov17.001101.21926@ncar.ucar.edu> Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org Distribution: na Organization: Thibault & Friends Lines: 77