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Article #393Re: Why Encryption will Remain Legal
From: Leonard Erickson
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 23:58
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 23:58
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mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "Will do TCP/IP for clues" Ranum) writes: >>4) The nature of encrypted data renders proof of criminal activity difficult. >> How do you prove in court that a chunk of data is a message rather than >> random noise [...] > A more interesting twist to this problem is: > How do you prove in court that the chunk of data is a message/evidence > of illegal activity, without either a) expecting a jury will just > take your word for it, or b) demonstrating that you can break the > encryption? > It'd be worth one of us going to jail for a few months to know >for sure that the government could in fact break cryptosystem XX for any >nontrivial cryptosystem XX. For that matter, if I was the defendant, and I'd been using some sort of "one-time pad" (ie a system where the key length is the message length, and keys are not re-used), I'd have my lawyer demonstrate that *any* text of the same length as the message could be extracted from the code by selecting an "appropriate" key. That would *guarantee* "reasonable doubt" unless they picked some *real* dummies for the jury. So ciphertext generated with a one-time pad *isn't* going to be *usable* evidence unless they can *prove* what the key was. And if they can do *that*, they can just as easily get the original plaintext to use as evidence. Any legal types care to comment? -- Leonard Erickson leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com CIS: [70465,203] 70465.203@compuserve.com FIDO: 1:105/51 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org (The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!decwrl!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!uwm.edu!ogicse!psgrain!qiclab!leonard From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: Why Encryption will Remain Legal Message-ID: <1992Nov4.235802.919@qiclab.scn.rain.com> Date: 4 Nov 92 23:58:02 GMT Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Nov4.235802.919 References: <1992Oct28.223959.23206@netcom.com> <1992Oct29.023531.7191@decuac.dec.com> Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon. Lines: 38