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Re: Theory of beliefs, belief fields

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From: djbonsignore
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:28
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People find me in the street and dial a cell phone. It was I who asked
a TV station more than one year ago to report people using my name who
were not in NYC. I dont know what happened next and that has been the
plight. One sided communications. Now I suspect that I was not the
only one who was being sold the idea of ** people modification**. It
was an honest question to the FBI to find who was promoting my works,
when i realized the intrusion and began publishing all I could. That
idea CERTAINLY can be **justified** by Alive and Human, a 1997
introduction to a long rationality research project. The Possibility
of Telepathy is just one aspect, as well as the evolutionary _thought
experiments_. I still dont know if Lu is managed to get the essay
after I commented it, but human modification is just one of the
pitfalls. Today I had only two weird encounters and the same set of
questions. If they believed in that modification idea to the extreme,
any more or less Bonsignore looking would be able to confuse any of
the Belindas! Which was precisely the problem from the very beginning,
double entendre, theft by impersonation, incrimination, intellectual
property theft... They would be able to confuse anybody if people who
know me, really know me, were told that people can modify and there
were new technologies and that I had changed and... That s why I fear
they didnt want to recognize me, though I still dont know _WHY_ people
would actually look at me with FEAR.

And they keep playing with the **son of** double meaning. A real son
or just a protege? I _saw_ the old man I speak about on 34th, the
father of Lu is. How come he is still around and I cant profit from
any of my efforts? I have an Orff s level work. How much financing
would it command? Who forced me to go this way? What I wanted was a
personal, _private_ conversation with a person I already shared
intimacy with. Nothing. Then? The son of Bush. The son of Fox. The son
of Aleman. The son of the governor of Veracruz. The son of Bloomberg.
Etc. Also with nephews.

[Maybe I was poisoned again in one shelter.. only coffee and tea and
sugar... What s better, to starve or to be poisoned? That s the origin
of huger strikes, to know that bioterrorism is being used and you are
being poisoned. Coffee was antibiotics flavored, but tea who knows.]

On Apr 21, 8:21 am, djbonsign...@gmail.com wrote:
> One of the birthdays must be after April 1991 (March?), very near that
> date or maybe July 1992? They have been playing with Mendel, black
> hair + blonde hair => blonde hair + black hair => ? I think black hair
> would prevale, actually a dichotomy, 3/4 black hair, 1/4 blonde hair,
> throwing in very straight grandfather s nose, combined with slightly
> dropped tip and somewhat rounded noses. I dont know about the other
> grandfather... maybe there wasnt much variation because of easthetic
> considerations in sexual attraction. Also tall and short would have
> the same pattern, color ranging from white to pink with flesh in
> between. Of course, if their noses were modified to _hide_ family
> resemblance... In 1992 I was in Economics; in late 1995 I had a full
> set of programming tools; in 1997 an excellent business plan, in 2000
> the company had big international projects and fairly advanced tech
> and I had my patentable ideas; in 2004 I published my music and other
> projects... then? How come? Eh?

> We can define an egyptian or pharaonic structure one in which there is
> a small number of carrier fields, surrounded by a small group of
> telepaths controlling a big number of schizophrenics. This is the
> stucture of the Old Egyptian Empire and the Inca Empire as well, were
> the royal family would provide the necessary carrier field to unify
> communications in the territory. blah blah blah. I need justice.
A baboonic social structure can be defined as a hierarchical recursive
structure much in the same way as baboons lead their societies, in
which a dominant individual controls a group through delegation of
command while keeping the possibility to exercise control over the
whole group. Here telepathy is not considered as a force nor
necessity, on the contrary, it would hampered control. The need to
define this structure lies in that it is an usual alternative to other
structures of control, and is used widely by armies of all sorts...

> I didnt apply for the CURP. Last thing I knew is that it was optional
> and not automatic. But now (months ago), I found there is a CURP to my
> name. Shouldnt be there, even if granted in 2000. Then how? If
> somebody is using it after, say 15 Nov 2002, it is an illegal use and
> should be considered as identity theft.
I searched for that CURP some years ago and there was nothing. But now
it looks as if it was granted in 2000. Then I havent got ANY MAIL
since then. NO MAIL AT ALL. Looks like the last one I got was samples
for several neural networks and GA applications maybe in 97 or 96,
dont remember well. The same happened here in the US. Just got a weird
letter to a lawyer in the PO Box. My MOTHER wouldnt miss the chance to
send mail. I sent a postcard with poetry. Nothing, no news but a weird
event. Then precisely my case with that federal program is that I am
not getting post mail in time, so I keep failing with it, it all
arrives on the date and late. Five phone numbers and could get not
very useful messages in only one of them. Incommunication. Also spam
with in the zone names.

It has to be noted that religious prophecies, once considered plans,
do imply a systematic species suicide, otherwise final judgements
wouldnt arrive. That is the idea of the afterlife. So Church wants the
species to die! This can be tracked down to the essence of rationality
as a process, in which the algorithmic nature of it does require a
**termination rule**, which is expressed by the self referential
recognition of the death of the individual. Conscience as algorithm
requires that it can recognize its end, otherwise it cannot be
considered an algorithm but instead as an open ended process. This
recognition of the death of the process, of the individual, can be
expressed as a self conscious recognition of the fact, in more than
one level of understanding, but ALSO as the implicit need of it, that
is, as an unconscious need for suicide. In a way Conscience needs to
be sure and consider its termination by _forcing it_. If human
rationality is an algorythm strictly speaking, it would have trouble
to consider the full human experience as an open ended, essentially
immortal process. [A big themes of science, driving considerations in
physics (thermodynamics, cosmology)]. It would need to comprehend
(mold itself on) Reality the notions of death of the individual and
death of the species. One leads to bioterrorism, the other one to
cataclismic species terminations and final judgements, that is, the
moment of final output of the algorithm! It is indeed an advance over
a strictly algorithmically driven conscience that of an open ended
conscience process able to work for an eternity, on principle, without
requiring a termination even if it is aware of its possibility. Under
the biological principle of diversity we ll be able to find both types
in a human population, to the point that its proportion can be used an
index of **progress** of the whole species, in the sense that it can
continue forever without forcing its own termination! Or cannot,
depending on relative power of both types of conscience dynamics. This
fight would be similar to that of good an evil in scope and can be
considered as such, even if that particular srtuggle is of a very
different nature in biological reality.

(Vampirism may be another schizoprenically induced belief akin to
cannibalism. It may have some of the effects of it of modifying
through enzymatic activity features of the human body. I think some
thin lip and joker looking mouths may be due to vampirism. In reality
blood is indigestible, containes too many toxines, can llead to iron
poisoning and contains only a small proportion of genetic material. It
is most like that the Rhesus factors were found precisely by
experimentation with vampirism in the eighteenth century.)

Fabrizio J Bonsignore now Danilo J Bonsignore
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Subject: Re: Theory of beliefs, belief fields
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