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Article #1423Re: Tingles from power supply
From: john
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:21
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:21
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Eeyore wrote: > Rich Grise wrote: > > > On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:20:22 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote: > > > > > I've recently bought a D-Link DIR-300 wireless router. While > > > disconnecting its power supply from it, I got a tingling sensation when > > > I touched the plug (to be clear, I'm talking about the 5V DC plug, not > > > the mains plug). > > > > > > An AVO meter shows about 90V AC to earth from either side of the 5V > > > plug. Short circuit current to earth is about 0.1mA. > > > > > > Still, I thought these things were meant to be completely isolated. Has > > > there been a change of approach? > > > > If the wart is 2-prong, turn it around in the socket. If it's 3-prong, > > get an outlet tester. > > Sylvia's experience is 100% normal. I've even modelled it in the past which > is why I reckon the Y cap between the rectified pri and sec sides is 2n2. > > I was myself at the time specifically interested in the value of the leakage > current and its waveform shape. It gives a great 'buzz' with lots of > harmonics in poorly grounded audio systems. The audio groups regularly get a > question why their laptop buzzes on the mains but not on battery power. About > once a month on average. > > Cue EMC discussion ? > > Graham I reckon whomsoever allowed a capacitor/resistor/whatever to straddle a magnetically isolated, electrical safety barrier, ought to be marched out of their keep-the-public-safe-committee office and shot.
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