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Article #1772Re: Who Killed the Electric Car?
From: Joerg
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:57
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:57
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T wrote: > In article <5iIXj.542$mh5.416@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>, > notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net says... >> Eeyore wrote: >>> Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:47:27 -0700, Joerg >>>> <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is a major stumbling block in areas like ours: Monopoly, plus >>>>> baseline usage rules the monopoly imposes. The millisecond you exceed >>>>> baseline by IIRC as little as 30% electricity becomes painfully >>>>> expensive. Anyone who dared to use their A/C in summer knows that. >>>>> Unless this changes or one can line up a sweet and most of all longterm >>>>> night-time deal there won't be a realistic future for electric cars. >>>> One former EV-1 owner has a solution to the electric power cost >>>> problem: >>>> <http://www.solarwarrior.com> >>>> <http://www.solarwarrior.com/why.html> >>> A 30kW peak output PV solar array would cost somewhere in the region of >>> $120,000 in panels alone by my estimation yet would only provide around >>> 120kWh of electricity daily (worth around $12) on average. Factor in >>> financing costs and it simply will NEVER 'pay back' >>> >>> Scale that down to a 12kWh EV battery pack daily recharge and it would still >>> cost you $12,000 PLUS and the associated installation, inverter etc, say >>> $20k overall. Yet it would only cost about $1.20 for that daily recharge >>> from the mains. >>> >> Not if you live in an area where electricity cost versus monthly usage >> has the I/V characteristic of a silicon diode. Out here when you reach >> 130% of baseline that would be the 600mV point. Go beyond that and >> you'll hear a huge slurping sound. That sound would be coming from your >> bank account. And that happens in a lot of other places, too. >> >> > > That's ok, I just got a notice that National Grid is hiking electric > rates in RI again. It's bad enough that with the combined distribution > and generation charges we pay 14.5 cents per kWh. I don't know how much > more I can bear of this. > > Deregulation, yeah it's only good for the company not for the people. > Deregulation can be good if there is competition. Airline travel was pretty much restricted to upper class folks before deregulation. But deregulation while keeping monopolies in place is IMHO not a good thing. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
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