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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:34:43 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 6, 4:13 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:35:10 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>> >On Nov 5, 3:58 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>>>
>>> >> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>> >> >On Nov 5, 5:15 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>>> >> >wrote:
>>> >> >> John Fields wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:59:20 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>>> >> >> > <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> > >My "unique" talents were recognised for what they were worth. 
>>> >> >> > >I'd
>>> >> >> > >prefer to be working at the moment, but there are enough good
>>> >> >> > >electronic engineers around that society isn't going to founder 
>>> >> >> > >for
>>> >> >> > >want of my contribution.
>>>
>>> >> >> > ---
>>> >> >> > Actually, I think society is probably less likely to founder 
>>> >> >> > because of
>>> >> >> > the lack of your "contribution". ;)
>>>
>>> >> >> So much for Bill's lame claims on aus.electronics that he's 
>>> >> >> educating
>>> >> >> people on the sci.electronics groups.
>>>
>>> >> >Some people aren't easy to educate, and both you and John Fields 
>>> >> >would
>>> >> >seem to fall into that catagory.
>>>
>>> >> ---
>>> >> If, by "education", you mean hitching my wagon to your star, then I'd
>>> >> much prefer something other than a white dwarf.
>>>
>>> >Education is getting people to think for themselves in a useful way.
>>> >It isn't about hitching anybody's wagon to someone else's wagon train.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Only trouble with that definition is that for people to be able to think
>>> in a useful way requires them to follow your lead and believe the way
>>> you do.
>>
>>Not necessarily. There are a variety of ways of thinking for yourself
>>in a useful way. You don't seem to have mastered any of them.
>
> ---
> Perhaps, from your point of view, but then you can't even decipher a
> simple metaphor so I'd say you were pretty myopic.
> ---
>
>
>>>In other words, by hitching their wagon to your wagon train and
>>> heading for the same destination; one example of which would be to never
>>> use a 555.
>>
>>I've never said that one should never use a 555 - I've merely pointed
>>out that in almost all situations there are now better alternatives.
>
> ---
> Oh, please...
>
> You stated, once, that you'd tried to use one, that it was a crappy part
> which didn't meet your expectations and, because of that, you'd never
> use one.
> ---
>
>>
>>> That, of course, presumes you do have a wagon train, and I seriously
>>> doubt whether you do.
>>
>>You were claiming that my view of "education" would involve your
>>hitching your wagon (which I seriously doubt you have) to my "star"
>>whatever that might be.
>
> ---
> You're not very good at this, are you?
>
> It's a simple metaphor, Bill.
>
> The star is your dream, what drives you, what you follow, and the wagon
> is what I use to carry me through my life.
>
> So hitching _my_ wagon to _your_ star would be tantamount to my
> unhitching it from mine and living my life as you saw fit for me to live
> it.
>
> Certainly nothing I'd even consider.
> ---
>
>>I adjusted the analogy by substituting an
>>equally figurative wagon train for your "star",
>
> ---
> Because you didn't understand the analogy?
> ---
>
>>but since I was
>>engaged in rejecting the idea that education involves leaders and
>>followers, I wouldn't be offering to let you hook your wagon to my
>>wagon train even in the remote event that I came to possess a wagon
>>train in Texas.
>
> ---
> If it's _your_ wagon train and you get to determine who "gets" to hook
> up to it or not, then your statement carries the implicit meaning that
> you're the boss; i.e., the leader, and those who are allowed to hook up
> are the followers.
>
> JF
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