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Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source

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From: Anon
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:28
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In article <51698@seismo.CSS.GOV>, stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Dec22.204130.18133@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>,  writes:
> > In article <51694@seismo.CSS.GOV>, stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
> > > 
> > > Flame on....rampant idiocy...real butt-head...butt-head...pup.
> > >...remain ignorant...

And when Stead actually mananges to make a point...

Wait there's one here somewhere...

> the way the molecules work is that you
> must do work against the molecules to separate them, but once separated,
> they snap back, releasing the acculmulated strain energy as heat.  That's
> right, energy is conserved, and a pile of shredded composite does not
> represent more energy than the whole piece.  Entropy simply means that
> energy has been converted to heat.

Unfortunately wrong, and very sloppy.  Take a ream of paper and turn it into
scraps and tell me you haven't expended energy.  That energy came from the 
flywheel hense the fluff does not have the same energy as the initial flywheel.  
Energy has been used bending molecules, which may or may not snap back, but
more significantly in breaking bonds which originally held the flywheel
together.  Now if you've got the inter fiber bond strength of a material of
carbon carbon fibers we could use for a fly wheel, your a hell of a lot 
farther ahead that most in the carbon carbon field.  Now is this energy enough
to make the fluff safe, I don't know, that's why I asked.  Remember that
carbon carbon bonds are one of the strongest bonds around, thats why we
want to use carbon carbon in the first place.  

> I repeat for the billionth time, energy is conserved!

Can't you listen to your own point?

> 
> > > I'm really tiring of this nonsense, so while I politely corrected the
> > > first posters in their misconceptions - you get flamed, boy.
> > > 
> > > > >My opinions are my own.
> > > 
> > > Good thing - they're pretty damned stupid for anyone else.
> > 
> > Gee thanks for your help in keeping this discussion open and moving forward.
> 
> You're welcome.  Why don't you try helping a bit instead of flaming
> when you don't know what you're talking about.
> --
> Richard Stead
> Center for Seismic Studies
> Arlington, VA
> stead@seismo.css.gov

I guess you'd better keep your gov job.  This sort of attack science doesn't
cut it out here.

Darin Olson
R&DD
LMSC
Palo Alto, CA

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