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Article #15100Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
From: Ray Trent
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:59
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:59
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In the referenced article, () writes: >be contained by a container. The object is not to stop the flywheel failure >at any given point, but to slow it down and cause it to loose energy. > >What I would like to see is a good treatment of the energy needed to turn a >flywheel into cotton candy. This gives everyone a better idea of how >much energy is left yet to be contain by the next carbon carbon shell. If a flywheel powered vehicle actually contained the same amount of energy as an equivilent gasoline powered car, you're going to die flaming death if they fail, but... Is anyone here missing the point that flywheel powered cars need far less total energy to go a certain distance (stop and go) than a gasoline powered car? Car designers aren't completely stupid, you know, they do try to recover kinetic energy during braking in a vehicle that is capable of doing so (gasoline engines aren't). Also, flywheel vehicles aren't really intended to provide as high a range as gasoline powered vehicles, nor are they intended to be used for towing. We're talking commuter cars here. Additionally, gasoline engines are basically heat pumps. A large percentage of the energy escapes in the form of heat out the exhaust pipe in normal operation. This much energy, at least, would not present in a flywheel. Electric motors are much more efficient than gasoline engines, there's absolutely no question about that...the inefficient part about using electric motors in cars is getting the electricity into the car in usable form (charging losses, discharging losses, efficiency of power plants, efficiency of power lines, etc). The actual amount of non-lossy energy it theoretically takes to get from point A to point B is much smaller than you might think in terms of heat. Actually, though, the thing I'm curious about is: how do they manage to find strong enough materials to make the mounts that connect the counter-rotating flywheels? There's one hell of a lot of precessional energy released in a change of orientation of even minor proportions, and while they'd naturally balance *total* angular momentum (not being total braindead idiots), I can't help but wonder... -- "When you're down, it's a long way up When you're up, it's a long way down It's all the same thing And it's no new tale to tell" ../ray\..
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!sparkyfs.erg.sri.com!rat From: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent) Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source Message-ID: <1992Dec23.015933.24919@erg.sri.com> Date: 23 Dec 92 01:59:33 GMT References: <etc.> <1992Dec22.204130.18133@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> Sender: news@erg.sri.com Reply-To: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent) Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA Lines: 50