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Tuan Thanh Ho (tho@carbon.cudenver.edu) wrote:
: I have the following books for sale :
(blah, blah, blah)

Jesus, is this shithead hard to shut up!  He regularly trashes at least 5
groups that I follow, and the wimpy sysadmin at denver.edu can't gag him. 
Time to hunt down the NREN folks and threaten denver.edu with the loss of
their `research and education' status.  Commercial posts like this crap are
absolutely forbidden, and I'll be damned if I've slowed it down, yet.

Any other cranky old men out there, please flame root@carbon.cudenver.edu
whilst I try to hunt down the folks that're subsidising their account.
 
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 |  Stan Eker            |  "It's Christmas, Theo.  It is the time for      |
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In article <D0w0pJ.EsM@indirect.com>, Stan Eker <seeker@indirect.com> wrote:
>Tuan Thanh Ho (tho@carbon.cudenver.edu) wrote:
>: I have the following books for sale :
>(blah, blah, blah)
>
>Jesus, is this shithead hard to shut up!  He regularly trashes at least 5
>groups that I follow, and the wimpy sysadmin at denver.edu can't gag him.
>Time to hunt down the NREN folks and threaten denver.edu with the loss of
>their `research and education' status.  Commercial posts like this crap are
>absolutely forbidden, and I'll be damned if I've slowed it down, yet.
>
>Any other cranky old men out there, please flame root@carbon.cudenver.edu
>whilst I try to hunt down the folks that're subsidising their account.
>
>  __________________________________________________________________________
> |  Stan Eker            |  "It's Christmas, Theo.  It is the time for      |
> |  seeker@indirect.com  |   miracles!"                                     |
> +-----------------------+                            (Die Hard)            |


Hey wait a minute.  Mr. Ho sold me a book I have been trying to
get a copy of for 20 years (out of print since 1960).  He had a lot
of other good books on his list that should be of great interest
to readers of this group (maybe the technical competence of this group
would rise if everyone bought a book from Mr. Ho.)  (How many posts a day
are questions like "please give me pointers to books about <insert
topic here> ? )   Mr. Ho promptly acknowledged my order and sent the
book promptly after getting my check.  He went out of his way packaging
the book to make it postal-worker proof so it arrived in mint condition.
I look forward to Mr. Ho's latest list for more gems like the book mentioned above.

Rick Karlquist
rkarlqu@scd.hp.com

Richard Karlquist (rkarlqu@scd.hp.com) wrote:

: Hey wait a minute.  Mr. Ho sold me a book I have been trying to
: get a copy of for 20 years (out of print since 1960).  He had a lot
: of other good books on his list that should be of great interest
: to readers of this group (maybe the technical competence of this group
: would rise if everyone bought a book from Mr. Ho.)  (How many posts a day
: are questions like "please give me pointers to books about <insert
: topic here> ? )   Mr. Ho promptly acknowledged my order and sent the
: book promptly after getting my check.  He went out of his way packaging
: the book to make it postal-worker proof so it arrived in mint condition.
: I look forward to Mr. Ho's latest list for more gems like the book mentioned above.

: Rick Karlquist
: rkarlqu@scd.hp.com

I'll second that!  While I was slightly annoyed at his insistance upon
4th-Class "Book Rate" shipment (No, no, Mr. Bill, anything but
that..), I think his selection was outstanding.  I picked up a copy of
Algorithms in Modula-3 by Sedgewick.  Not only is this book rare, but
it was about $50.00 at the local bookstore when it _was_ in print.
Mr. Ho's offerings are certainly not your average "How to Crash
Windows if You're a Dummy" genre that prevail in the "*.sale" groups.
As long as it doesn't get ridiculous, I'd like to keep seeing this
from time to time.

- Steve

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seeker@indirect.com (Stan Eker) writes:

>Tuan Thanh Ho (tho@carbon.cudenver.edu) wrote:
>: I have the following books for sale :
>(blah, blah, blah)

>Jesus, is this shithead hard to shut up!

AMEN! - I sent him e-mail some time ago, and got no response.

Robert Groover
groover@netcom.com
patents@attmail.com

Steven N. Hirsch (hirsch@emba-news.uvm.edu) wrote:

: I'll second that!  While I was slightly annoyed at his insistance upon
: 4th-Class "Book Rate" shipment (No, no, Mr. Bill, anything but
: that..), I think his selection was outstanding.  I picked up a copy of
: Algorithms in Modula-3 by Sedgewick.  Not only is this book rare, but
: it was about $50.00 at the local bookstore when it _was_ in print.
: Mr. Ho's offerings are certainly not your average "How to Crash
: Windows if You're a Dummy" genre that prevail in the "*.sale" groups.
: As long as it doesn't get ridiculous, I'd like to keep seeing this
: from time to time.

This is the last multi-group follow-on post I do (because of Mr. Ho's
idiotic habit of posting to everything technical on the 'net).

To cover one point, the schools and other educational institutions get a
MAJOR subsidy from the NREN on their Internet access, as long as it's used
for `education and research' purposes.  Running a bookstore doesn't count,
at least not in worldwide distribution.  Using the Usenet newsgroups for
personal aggrandizement is against the policy, intent and useage guidelines
in the bulk of the groups.  It's been that way for a very long time, and
unless cudenver.edu wants to purchase a commercial link to the 'net on their
own money (not my federal taxes), they'd better advise Mr. Ho to desist.

Whether you find it personally handy or not, over half of the groups this
thread is posted to DO NOT ALLOW commercial posts.  Period.  End of
discussion.  If you need to find a book, look in your .newsrc file for any
group with `book' in the listing and ADD IT TO YOUR LIST.

Additionally, THE WHOLE INTENT of seperating the groups up is so that we can
get on with the topics in these other groups *without* having to build
enormous killfiles to weed out all the off-topic posts (like this one) and
the advertising posts, not to mention jobs wanted/offered.  If you want to
have a 'netwide vote to for EACH DARN ADVERTISER that would like space here
to sell their (possibly) useful products, I'd give the Usenet groups about a
2 week lifespan before we ALL had to give up in disgust.  Just how many
companies do you really think there are out there that have no moral qualms
about pasting ads all over the 'net?  I'd bet on most of 'em.  Mr. Ho
regularly cross-posts to 10 or 15 groups all by himself, and that's only the
ones I catch a glimpse of.  We had a couple of (scum) lawyers here that
cross-posted to EVERY group.  Remember them?  They felt they were in the
right, as US immigrants read every group.  They got axed, too late.

The solution (already decided by the powers above on Usenet) is simple:
either disallow ALL commercial ads, or let 'em all through.  Anything else
is discrimination, and guaranteed to cause the idea of Usenet News to fold.
The rule of allowing ads ONLY on certain groups and forbidding it on all
others lets the reader decide whether to look for *real* information or
(probably misleading) advertising.

It may not be a popular attitude, but it wasn't a concern in the old ARPANET
days, and with the staggering growth rate of the 'net, it's more important
than ever before to have ground rules, and to stick by 'em.  With the
millions of users, losers and browsers here daily, the 'net can be a handy
tool for information exchange or a madhouse.  Make your choice.