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Article #2238Re: Power execs blame gas prices and environment regsforhighelectricity costs
From: Jeffrey Siegal
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:04
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:04
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Chris Torek wrote: > >Perhaps you should either allow the utilities (or PG&E) either to recoup the > >cost of 'green' power in their rates, or else permit them to reduce their > >payments to the green producers, including the payments they have > >been unable to make for November and December, to the amount they are > >allowed to charge for this same green power. > > Actually, the utilities are, in a sense, lucky that they have been > tied into long-term contracts with these "alternative" providers > at rates like $160/MWh, because it is the non-utility, non-"alternative" > providers who have been charging rates like $300/MWh. In other > words, while the alternative providers were in effect being subsidized > during the good times, now that times are bad, the alternative > providers are the ones doing the subsidizing -- they *could* get > figures like $500/MWh on the open market, but they are locked into > contracts. It isn't quite fair to compare the "alternative" power contracts to open market sales, because many of the alternative generators can't promise to deliver at a specific time and place, while open market sales do work that way. For example, wind power is only available when the wind blows. So a wind generator can't promise to sell wind power, say, tomorrow at 4pm for $500. The alternative power contracts allow the producers to pump their power into the grid whenever they can, at a prearranged price. Sometimes that power isn't needed at all, but they get to sell it anyway.
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