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Article #80Re: universal written language - a protocol for machine translation
From: John Woodgate
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:00
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:00
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<7igr2v$u5v$1@quine.mathcs.duq.edu>, Patrick Juola <juola@mathcs.duq.edu> inimitably wrote: >.... and you claim this on the basis of what evidence? A sequence of pictures without words - a story-board - can tell a story. Used all the time in developing TV commercials, for example. > >One of the "advantages" of any natural language, pictographic >or alphabetic, is that new words can be coined and hence any >language can be arbitrarily precise -- look at the degree of >precision chemists use in discussing novel compounds, Well, they have moved on a bit from 'liver of sulfur', but you can't properly describe a protein in words - the structure in three dimensions is of the essence. > and then >the degree of precision that their marketing departments use in >coining new names for marketing purposes (Claritin, Xantac, Viagra, &c). This is 'precision'? In what way? > >What I thought you were arguing a few posts back was that the >advantage of a pictographic representation is that it gives a more >natural mapping to the underlying world -- the relationship between >sign and symbolized isn't arbitrary. Unfortunately, this fails for >several reasons -- one, there's no way that you can't make non-arbitary >relationships to abstract concepts, Pardon? That's a triple negative: I'm not objecting on purist grounds, just confused by it. > and two, that different languages >will divide the universe-space into different categories, so you'll >need to put in all the bad-old-arbitrariness in a new guise. > Well, you may be right: we don't know yet. I'm just a bit more optimistic. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. Did you hear about the hungry genetic engineer who made a pig of himself?
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 15b514,f82743ad9aebddde X-Google-Attributes: gid15b514,public X-Google-Thread: 107100,f82743ad9aebddde X-Google-Attributes: gid107100,public X-Google-Thread: 107fc6,f82743ad9aebddde X-Google-Attributes: gid107fc6,public X-Google-Thread: 100923,f82743ad9aebddde X-Google-Attributes: gid100923,public From: John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: universal written language - a protocol for machine translation Date: 1999/05/26 Message-ID: <LkKh0gB3vET3EwfS@jmwa.demon.co.uk> X-Deja-AN: 482458670 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: jmwa.demon.co.uk:158.152.135.100 References: <7ho49v$nmj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <jDBbNKAfdjS3EwgI@jmwa.demon.co.uk> <7fhfp1l58t.fsf@faith.csis.hku.hk> <u+XIi3BEPuS3Ewyn@jmwa.demon.co.uk> <7igr2v$u5v$1@quine.mathcs.duq.edu> X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 927752444 nnrp-10:19853 NO-IDENT jmwa.demon.co.uk:158.152.135.100 Organization: JMWA Electronics Consultancy MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.lang.translation,comp.ai.nat-lang,cu.ml.linguist-list,alt.language.artificial