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Article #2286Re: Classical Latin and Vulgate (was Re: Morphological ...)
From: miner
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:09
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:09
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In article <1993Jan12.082842.4979@memstvx1.memst.edu>, connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu writes: [...] > O'Neill > (did I get that right?) noted that the Vulgate is much easier > to read than Cicero. True, except for the Psalms, which are > so scrambled as to be quite unintelligible in spots. (If > memory serves, the reason is that St. Jerome never touched > them, retaining the older translations that Christians were > used to, whether they understood them or not.) The Psalms are > so bad that the Vatican actually released a new Latin transla- > tion of them about 1950, which was intelligible but didn't > flow. Pius XII, 24 March 1945 to be exact. Your statement that the new translation doesn't flow bugs me, but I can't offer any objective criteria for flowingness, at least not today <:-> However let me seize this opening for a question I've long pondered. If you look at Jerome's Psalms, it's the tenses that are screwed up. Compare the first few lines of Psalm 22 (23), first Jerome's, then the 1945 translation: Jerome: Dominus regit me, et nihil mihi deerit: In loco pascuae ibi me collocavit. Super acquam reflectionis educavit me, Animam meam convertit. 1945: Dominus pascit me: nihil mihi deest; In pascuis virentibus cubare me facit. Ad acquas, ubi quiescam, conducit me; Reficit animam meam. My notion--completely off the top of my head--is that somebody didn't understand waw consecutive, which (to put it naively) in Hebrew gives the grammatical imperfect the meaning of the perfect and vice versa, and just translated the aspect literally verb by verb. This of course makes utter gibberish out of the Psalms much of the time. Since Jerome wouldn't have done this himself (else it would be in evidence other than in the Psalms), maybe the folk were using earlier translations for liturgical purposes, and Jerome didn't want to change, as you suggest, what they were used to. Incidentally, recent editions of the Vulgate give both translations of the Psalms in parallel columns, which enables one to compare them, check for flowingness, etc. :) [...] > -Leo Connolly -Ken -- miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Graecis ac barbaris, sapientibus et opinions are my own | insipientibus debitor sum
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!miner From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Re: Classical Latin and Vulgate (was Re: Morphological ...) Message-ID: <1993Jan12.180942.46348@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 18:09:42 CST References: <1993Jan8.151334.6482@desire.wright.edu> <1993Jan12.015941.23724@leland.Stanford.EDU> <C0pzMG.HFn@athena.cs.uga.edu> <1993Jan12.082842.4979@memstvx1.memst.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 60