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From: Neville Holmes
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:04
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:04
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In article <1993Jan12.114313.15553@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, etg10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Edmund Grimley-Evans) writes: >|> TITLE: Dialect variation in Esperanto >The difference are however not large enough or consistent enough to merit >the title "dialect". ..... A year or two ago I read a book called "La Bona Lingvo" by an apparently very experienced polyglot called Claude Piron. As I remember it, the reason he wrote the book was to protest (perhaps I use too strong a word here, more likely too weak) at the splitting of Esperanto into two dialects. As he saw it, European Esperantists were bent on adding to Esperanto's vocabulary by using words from classic (Indoeuropean) languages. This is done in a bureaucratic way from Europe. The European tendency is to add words and constructions and to prohibit other kinds of change. By contrast, the vigourous Esperanto world outside Europe used the inherent and fruitful agglutination provided by Esperanto to express new ideas. The non-European tendency is to simplify by neglecting complexity and exploiting the combinatorial properties of Esperanto. (This summarises Piron's book as I remember it.) I for one hope that the non-Europeans win this battle. My personal observations are that the properties and ideals of Esperanto are of enormous potential value, but that the Esperanto movement, through a strange kind of conservatism, is making the language more complex, is keeping it from becoming simpler, and has little idea of how to promote its product and ideals other than as a kind of exclusive (and largely ageing) brethren. The best hope for Esperanto lies outside Europe. (I expect these opinions will deeply offend most Esperantists on the network, who seem from their own group soc.culture.esperanto to be even more conservative and less agglutinative than the movement as a whole. However, I strongly approve of Esperanto and its ideals, and I appeal to readers of this group to interest themselves in an unusual area of linguistics with particular modern political and practical relevance.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neville Holmes AARNET: Neville.Holmes@appcomp.utas.edu.au Dept of Applied Computing & Maths Phone : +61 03 243 393 or (003) 243 393 University of Tasmania - Launceston Fax : +61 03 243 368 or (003) 243 368
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Newsgroups: sci.lang Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!munnari.oz.au!newsroom.utas.edu.au!cam!leven!nholmes From: nholmes@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au (Neville Holmes) Subject: Re: ..... On bhaashaa, lipi | language, scripts ... Message-ID: <1993Jan13.000421.23700@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> Summary: Dialect variation in Esperanto ? Sender: news@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au Nntp-Posting-Host: leven Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston References: <1993Jan12.114313.15553@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <memo.857760@cix.compulink.co.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:04:21 GMT Lines: 42