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Article #2971Re: Gender and grammar
From: Herman Rubin
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 00:00
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 00:00
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In article <3822A1F5.2650AB0@intelligencia.com>, Kalen <paradox@intelligencia.com> wrote: >Mark Rosenfelder wrote: >> The masculine/feminine/neuter business goes back for centuries-- it's >> familiar and there is some correspondence with sex. We could call them >> vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry, but then people would ask why you >> have to use vanilla adjectives for men and chocolate for women. >> As for the purpose of gender, consider English vs. French: >> --J'ai mis la cle sur le livre. --Je ne le vois pas. >> "I put the key on the book." "I don't see it." >> Is it the key or the book that the second person can't see? In French it's >> obvious, because of the gender. >> Or consider the amusing French film _Le grand blond avec une chaussure >> noire_. The adjectives tell us the title character's sex; the English title >> needs to add another noun to give the same information. >> Gender agreement may also help in parsing, since it offers extra clues >> on what words go with each other. >Thank you for the reasonable, non-condescending, and educational >response. I can now see a use for word genders, though I'm still not >sure they're worth the hassle. The problem is that the present languages do not have the needed capability. What is needed is the larger flexibility, together with its limits, of variables. These should be looked upon as a cross between pronouns and nouns, and these can have whatever characteristics are appropriate at the time; within a single context, a variable cannot have more than one meaning. The above sentence would be "I put the key x on the book y." "I don't see y." The variables x and y can be replaced by any other symbols or combinations of symbols which are not used for something else at the time. -- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fe7be,443b37a738556546 X-Google-Attributes: gidfe7be,public X-Google-Thread: 10a20a,e892391024e276b4 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a20a,public From: hrubin@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Subject: Re: Gender and grammar Date: 1999/11/07 Message-ID: <803sbq$4ga6@odds.stat.purdue.edu> X-Deja-AN: 545513645 References: <QlyR3.11153$14.428309@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> <38226F76.1267CEDA@intelligencia.com> <7vtte1$17d$1@eve.enteract.com> <3822A1F5.2650AB0@intelligencia.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@mozo.cc.purdue.edu X-Trace: mozo.cc.purdue.edu 941978810 2397 128.210.141.13 (7 Nov 1999 12:46:50 GMT) Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Nov 1999 12:46:50 GMT Newsgroups: sci.lang,bit.listserv.autism