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Re: *** QUESTION ***

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From: rath
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 13:21
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In article <1992Aug10.103834.2052@doc.ic.ac.uk>, rap@peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk (Ross Paterson) writes:
>From article <1992Aug8.071313.14258@leland.Stanford.EDU>, by richwing@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rich Wingerter):
>> I don't think "aboriginal" would fly.  The aboriginies in Australia and Japan
>> (the Ainu) and Africa are all caucasian (did I spell that right, Dan?  :-).
>> The "native americans" are descended from "orientals" (boy, am I glad Scott
>> isn't looking over my shoulder today...).
>
>You seem to be using a racial classification in which there are only two
>divisions, with "aboriginal" reserved for one of them.
>
>> Is there a word for a race that is native to an area when another race
>> invades?
>
>Yes: aboriginal (n. aborigine)

I do not think it will come into general usage, being somewhat of a 
highly marked word in some respects, but isn't the linguistic term
for this sort of thing "substratum"--at least in the realm of language 
and dialectal conquest, usually accompanied by military,
cultural and/or political subjugation...as in the Celtic languages being 
a substratum of "English"...altough accurate in a certain limited 
descriptive way, I don't think "substratum" will grow beyond linguistic
usages in this context...but naming races is a silly proposition, sort of 
like defining what is a language and what is a dialect, or exactly where a
dialect boundary is....With individuals, asking one one's
name is considered proper form--are there cultures or languages where the other
person gets to name individuals?  I get slightly irritated when people call 
me the wrong name, althouygh its not a big deal if its forgotten, but
I get down right mad underneath when people decide that I am "Dick"
after I have introduced myself as Rich.  I think it would be much 
worse if they just ignored what I, in my hubris *thought* my name was,
and just decided for me what my "right" name is, even going to the 
trouble to be concerned about it for me.  
	Best, 
	Rich Rath
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