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Article #346Re: *** QUESTION ***
From: rath
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 13:21
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 13:21
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In article <1992Aug10.103834.2052@doc.ic.ac.uk>, rap@peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk (Ross Paterson) writes: >From article <1992Aug8.071313.14258@leland.Stanford.EDU>, by richwing@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rich Wingerter): >> I don't think "aboriginal" would fly. The aboriginies in Australia and Japan >> (the Ainu) and Africa are all caucasian (did I spell that right, Dan? :-). >> The "native americans" are descended from "orientals" (boy, am I glad Scott >> isn't looking over my shoulder today...). > >You seem to be using a racial classification in which there are only two >divisions, with "aboriginal" reserved for one of them. > >> Is there a word for a race that is native to an area when another race >> invades? > >Yes: aboriginal (n. aborigine) I do not think it will come into general usage, being somewhat of a highly marked word in some respects, but isn't the linguistic term for this sort of thing "substratum"--at least in the realm of language and dialectal conquest, usually accompanied by military, cultural and/or political subjugation...as in the Celtic languages being a substratum of "English"...altough accurate in a certain limited descriptive way, I don't think "substratum" will grow beyond linguistic usages in this context...but naming races is a silly proposition, sort of like defining what is a language and what is a dialect, or exactly where a dialect boundary is....With individuals, asking one one's name is considered proper form--are there cultures or languages where the other person gets to name individuals? I get slightly irritated when people call me the wrong name, althouygh its not a big deal if its forgotten, but I get down right mad underneath when people decide that I am "Dick" after I have introduced myself as Rich. I think it would be much worse if they just ignored what I, in my hubris *thought* my name was, and just decided for me what my "right" name is, even going to the trouble to be concerned about it for me. Best, Rich Rath
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Newsgroups: sci.lang Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!centerline!noc.near.net!news.cs.brandeis.edu!binah.cc.brandeis.edu!RATH From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: Re: *** QUESTION *** Message-ID: <1992Aug10.132103.23449@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University References: <1992Aug8.071313.14258@leland.Stanford.EDU>,<1992Aug10.103834.2052@doc.ic.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 13:21:03 GMT Lines: 36