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Article #5092Re: Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford
From: lackpurity
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:15
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:15
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On Mar 29, 12:44�pm, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote: > On Mar 29, 7:25�pm, lackpurity <lackpur...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 29, 12:01 pm, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > > > On Mar 29, 6:30 pm, lackpurity <lackpur...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Elizabeth does use reproaches in her withering denunciations of the > > > > Earl of Oxford. I think she hyperbolizes on that, as the Earl did > > > > gain some credit, and Edmund Spenser pointed this out to the world. > > > > Eddie de Vere lacked sufficient writing talent. Oxfordians just > > > > dismiss all the Anti-Oxfordian evidence as a result of some massive > > > > conspiracy and subsequent coverup. It's up to the sagacity of the > > > > readers. Oxfordians still lack evidence for their case. This is not > > > > to say that Oxfordian fantasies, or even Marlovian fantasies, i.e. of > > > > Peter Farey's ilk, do not appeal to some. Elizabeth is a staunch > > > > Baconian. > > > > I don't agree on the missing writing talent, in the early > > > poems by de Vere I find the same breadth while his > > > later lines are more versatile, which I ascribe to the > > > influence of William Shakespeare the actor and > > > congenial collaborator - both your poets. I propose > > > a new idea about the authorship, didn't you notice? > > > And my evidence I find within the plays and poems. > > > I pose you the same question: what does the scene > > > in Titus Andronicus mean where Young Lucius quotes > > > two lines by Horace (which you translated completely > > > wrongly) and calls them his weapon? > > > Here is the quote from Horace, again: > > > 'Integer vitae, scelerisque purus, > > Non eget Mauri jaculis, nec arcu.' � � � � � � � �1705 > > > For the whole life, there is conflict, > > Not without Mauretanian (Moors) javelins, nor bows (and arrows). > > > IOW, he believes in fighting, similar to Julius Caesar and Alexander > > the Great. > > I looked up some translations on the web > and see that we both got it wrong, the lines > mean: He who is integer of life and free of > sin or crime doesn't need the Moor's bow > and javelins ... Now this might topple my > interpretation of the play. I will hurry home > and see whether I can save my interpretation > or must abandon it all ... Oi weh You say "doesn't need", but the weapons are there. Sometimes, self- defense is necessary, Michael Martin
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