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Article #5142Re: Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford
From: Peter Groves
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:26
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:26
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On Mar 9, 6:12 am, Mike <lackpur...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 5, 4:57 pm, Peter Groves <metrical...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 5, 8:37 pm, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > > > On Mar 5, 9:54 am,PeterGroves <metrical...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > This is imbecilic. You are confusing letters and sounds in a manner > > > > that would disgrace a schoolboy. > > > > > That is, you are not merely ignorantly opinionated, but ineducable to > > > > boot. Makes sense you'd be an Oxfordian. > > > > 'Letter' also meant phoneme until the end of the 19th > > > century. The Roman letters were conceived as phonemes. > > > And as for the connection between 'valiant' and 'William' > > > I quote from the reply I just wrote forPeter: > > > > * Valiant / William is as good a rhyme as the examples > > > * given above, and the alliteration is even of a genetic sort, > > > * for William German Wilhelm is composed of will and helmet, > > > * will akin to German wollen and Latin velle 'wish', volo 'I wish', > > > * in a further meaning 'I decide, order', and valiant coming > > > * from valere 'to be strong', in a further meaning 'to have > > > * influence, power, importance' > > > * > > > * volo 'I wish', also 'I decide, order' > > > * > > > * valeo 'I am strong', also 'I have influence, power, importance' > > > > Your reply is typical for a strutting Strat : reproaches and > > > ad hominems instead of answers to questions. > > > Do try to understand that when I call your assertions ignorant and > > imbecilic I am not attempting to make any kind of argument against > > them, "ad hominem" or otherwise, since they do not deserve serious > > attention: they are beneath what has beeen called the dignity of > > refutation. I am merely stating facts that are evident to anyone with > > normal reasoning powers and even the meanest understanding of your > > subject matter (Shakespeare, poetics, linguistics). > > > In the academic world we have a thing called peer review; which is a > > way of filtering out errors and excesses of various kinds in published > > articles and books. You, of course, could never aspire to > > publication, but you are getting in this group what might be termed > > review by your intellectual superiors, for which you ought to grateful > > (rather than petulant and sulky). The most useful thing you could do > > is to pay attention to what is being explained to you by others (I > > don't have the patience for it). > > > PeterG. > > We need to learn from superiors, that's for sure. The most superior > are the mystics. Have you learned from them, Peter G.? Shakespeare > was one. > > Michael Martin > > > > > You can't > > > > make all those obscure remarks unveil their meaning, > > > you worship a demi-god veiled in fog and cloaked in clouds, > > > preferring him to an actual and apparently loveworthy human > > > being of great merit, as the real William Shakespeare > > > emerging from the play Romeo and Juliet in my reading > > > that is now one week old, since I found the telling pun > > > > O, where is Romeo? O, Vere is Romeo! > > > > last Friday, followed yesterday by > > > > What, Juliet! Watch, Juliet! > > > > and the alliteration > > > > valiant Paris valiant William > > > > Romeo -- Edward de Vere, playwright > > > Juliet -- audience personified, Muse > > > Paris -- William Shakespeare of the Globe- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I've learned from you that 40 years of meditation can really screw up your brain. Peter G.
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