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Article #5144Re: Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford
From: benlizro
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:46
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:46
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On Mar 9, 10:36 am, elizabeth <messageform...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 7 Mar, 23:10, Franz Gnaedinger <f...@bluemail.ch> wrote: > > > > > Edward de Vere and William Shakespeare > > > The following eight messages, posted from February 28 > > to March 7, 2010, document my discovery of a subtext > > in the play Romeo and Juliet, revealing Romeo as > > alter ego of the playwright Edward de Vere, Juliet as > > personified audience, and valiant Romeo as William > > Shakespeare, director and main actor of the Globe. > > Please try to ignore my intitial mistakes; those that are > > crucial for my hypothesis will be corrected later on. > > > ---------------- > > (message 1) > > > Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford > > > Romeo, in the play Romeo and Juliet, is mentioned > > for the first time in a question > > > O, where is Romeo? > > > a question offering a pun > > > O, Vere is Romeo! > > > a pun providing an answer > > > de Vere, Oxford > > That's not the answer, Gnaedinger, if that's your real > name. > > O was bawdy Elizabethan for orgasm. > You have some evidence of this? It seems unlikely, given that OED does not record "orgasm" at all in English until some decades after Shakespeare's death, and then only in the sense of a violent spasm. The sexual sense does not appear until mid-18th century. I'm comparing this with Malvolio's "thus makes she her great P's", which was mentioned recently. Even though unequivocal attestations of "pee" appear only much later, it is easy to accept that the play was intended here, given the punning in the immediate environment, and the fact that the base-word "piss" had been well established since the 14th century. Ross Clark
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