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Panu wrote:
> On Mar 1, 6:13 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Feb 28, 6:48 pm, Panu <craoibhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>>> On Feb 28, 11:12 pm, Ignoto <""ignoto \"@ blahblahblah.org"> wrote:
>>>> Panu wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 28, 5:00 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 9:55 am, Panu <craoibhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 3:47 pm, "Peter Farey" <pete...@rey.prestel.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Panu" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Proof that 'Shakespeare' was Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford
>>>>>>>>> Who the hell is interested in Shakespeare anyway?
>>>>>>>> Rather more than those who are interested in Na'vi or Dnghe I suspect?
>>>>>>> I'm not talking about quantity, but quality. Besides, Shakespeare
>>>>>>> would not interest anyone if he wasn't so heavily subsidized.
>>>>>> What _are_ you talking about? (Both points.)
>>>>> You know perfectly well that Shakespeare is just a minor, obscure
>>>>> dramatist
>>>> Ok, well, perhaps you would like to tell us the name(s) of the major
>>>> english dramatist(s) of (1) the renaissance and (2) all time.
>>> I couldn't care less about English dramatists - I didn't major in
>>> English studies. The fact that English is a world language is not
>>> exactly due to English literature or drama being particularly
>>> interesting. And the fact that they haven't been able to produce one
>>> single memorable dramatist after that not-particularly-memorable
>>> scribbler, actually says it all.-
>> I guess over in Finland you haven't heard of Oscar Wilde, or Bernard
>> Shaw, or Eugene O'Neill, or Tennessee Williams, or Arthur Miller, or
>> Tom Stoppard, or August Wilson? (No, I won't mention Neil Simon,
>> perhaps the unfortunately most prolific of them all.)
>>
>> Note, Shakespeare-wallahs, that Panu is a Finn and the best he can
>> come up with for "good literature" is in irish.
> 
> Of course we have heard of Oscar Wilde (an Irishman), George Bernard
> Shaw (another Irishman), Eugene O'Neill (an American), Tennessee
> Williams (another American), and Arthur Miller (another American).
> August Wilson is unknown to me, but Tom Stoppard sounds vaguely
> familiar.
> 
> It is obvious that Americans excel in drama, because their culture has
> been cross-pollinated by so many non-English cultures. American
> theatrical tradition and film were obviously vitalized by immigrants
> escaping from Nazi Germany and its dominions.

Actually the major influence on those American dramatists would be 
Henrik Ibsen, who was himself influenced by, you guessed it, 
Shakespeare: "something of Shakespeare" is present in all of Ibsen's 
works (Fjelde, Rolf, ed. Ibsen: A Collection of Critical Essays).

Ign.

> As regards good literature, there is obviously a lot of it in
> civilized languages, such as German and Polish, to mention just two of
> them.