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Article #5307Re: IPA symbols for Latin
From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:00
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:00
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On 29 Jan 1997 14:17:47 GMT, clary@sesostris.cnrm.meteo.fr (CLARY Olivier) wrote: >In article <32EDD073.5691@anteo.it> Alfredo Moscianese <alfredo@anteo.it> writes: >>About vowels it has to be added that, as Pisani says, "short vowels were more >>open than the corresponding long ones". >[...] >>["open" e] (the one denoted in IPA by an epsilon) >>["open" i] (the one denoted in IPA by a small capital i) >>["open" o] (the one denoted in IPA by a turned c) >>["open" u] (the one denoted in IPA by an upsilon or a small capital u) >>for short vowels > >I had seen such "English" values in another article and attributed it >to an English bias but now I wonder: does Pisani or any other expert really >say that all short vowels are more open and not only the middle-aperture ones, >o and e? Yes. The values /U/ and /I/ for short <u> and <i> are assured by the fact that in Romance (except Sardinian and partly Romanian) these sounds merged with /o/ and /e/ (from long <o> and <e>). If there were timbre distinctions between long and short <a> is less certain. In any case, the Romance languages show no trace of it. >And I was told the opposite for classical Greek: omega and eta more open. >Is it really so? Yes, at least in Athens. When, due to the loss of certain consonants (*w, *j, *s) two e's or two o's ran together, the resulting long /e:/ and long /o:/ were closed, unlike the open /E:/ and /O:/ written eta and omega (from etymologic /a:/ or /e:/ in the case of eta, /o:/ in the case of omega). These closed varieties of /e:/ and /o:/ were written <ei> and <ou> in Athenian Greek, merging (at least in writing) with the result of etymological /ei/ and /ou/. == Miguel Carrasquer Vidal ~ ~ Amsterdam _____________ ~ ~ mcv@pi.net |_____________||| ========================== Ce .sig n'est pas une .cig
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 105352,62c38b0c3db28d6c X-Google-Attributes: gid105352,public X-Google-Thread: 11289b,551beaee80785e30 X-Google-Attributes: gid11289b,public X-Google-Thread: 10a20a,551beaee80785e30 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a20a,public From: mcv@pi.net (Miguel Carrasquer Vidal) Subject: Re: IPA symbols for Latin Date: 1997/01/29 Message-ID: <32f18057.336302392@news.pi.net> X-Deja-AN: 213015631 references: <58fsns$emr@news.enterprise.net> <58lblq$5tt@news1.io.org> <32EDD073.5691@anteo.it> <5cnm6b$c91@news.cict.fr> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: Planet Internet mime-version: 1.0 newsgroups: sci.lang,sci.classics,humanities.classics