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From: Richard M. Alderson III
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:00
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:00
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In article <32f18057.336302392@news.pi.net> mcv@pi.net
(Miguel Carrasquer Vidal) writes:
>Yes, at least in Athens. When, due to the loss of certain consonants (*w, *j,
>*s) two e's or two o's ran together, the resulting long /e:/ and long /o:/
>were closed, unlike the open /E:/ and /O:/ written eta and omega (from
>etymologic /a:/ or /e:/ in the case of eta, /o:/ in the case of omega). These
>closed varieties of /e:/ and /o:/ were written <ei> and <ou> in Athenian
>Greek, merging (at least in writing) with the result of etymological /ei/ and
>/ou/.
The long close vowels also arise from *Vns > V:s, as in the accusative plural
of non-neuter o-stem nouns ("2nd declension").
The history of eta and omega is not quite so simple, either, as eta can result
from a contraction of *ea < *esa (as in neuter nom/acc plural of s-stems), and
omega from a contraction of *ao (as in a-stem "contract" verbs).
However, the writing system of Athens was more complicated than this: Before
the 5th century BCE (499-400 BCE), the Athenian alphabet made no distinction of
length or height in the mid vowels, writing all mid-front vowels as <E> and all
mid-back vowels as <O>. It is only with the adoption of the *Ionian* alphabet
(late in the 6th or early in the 5th century--I forget when, exactly) that the
use of <H> and <omega>, and the so-called "spurious diphthongs," arises in
Athens.
However, this *does* have advantages as well as disadvantages: We know that
the long diphthongs ("iota subscripts") were still diphthongs in 6th century
Athens, because they are written with <I>.
--
Rich Alderson You know the sort of thing that you can find in any dictionary
of a strange language, and which so excites the amateur philo-
logists, itching to derive one tongue from another that they
know better: a word that is nearly the same in form and meaning
as the corresponding word in English, or Latin, or Hebrew, or
what not.
--J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@netcom.com _The Notion Club Papers_
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