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Re: "invention" of silent reading (McLuhan)

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From: LEE Sau Dan
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:29
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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter T Daniels <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> writes:

    >> It is meant to be pronounced as <tu2shu1guan3> +VxZm+Jko-.  It
    >> was invented during the early 20th century, when some
    >> "scholars" wanted to reform the Chinese script by following the
    >> Japanese fashion.  However, other than being listed in many
    >> Chinese dictionaries, this character is not used in Chinese
    >> texts.

    Peter> Just as I said several weeks ago, according to Wm. Bright:
    Peter> a character invented for the purpose of asserting that a
    Peter> 3-syllable character exists. Where were you when I asked
    Peter> for confirmation?

I must have missed it.  :)


    Peter> No one else put a date or a Japanese connection on it,
    Peter> though.

From a few  sources that I've read, this character  is not Japanese in
origin.  It was invented by Chinese scholars, attempting to initiate a
reform in  the Chinese  script to write  Chinese even  more compactly.
(The inspiration comes from the use of Kanji's (rather than completely
Hiragana+Katakana) to write Japanese, making the result more compact.)
I can't  remember what sources I  had.  They don't seem  to have given
any precise  dates.  But  it is definitely  in the period  where every
Chinese scholar  wants to somehow  reform the Chinese  script, because
they think the existing script is obsolete and outdated.  (They simply
consider everything  from the West  to be "more advanced".)   That's a
period from the late 19th to the early 20th century.

That word is  still +VxZm+Jko- (tou shou kan) in  Japanese, written with 3
Kanji's.  So, that 3-syllabic character  is not used in Japanese.  I'd
like  to see in  what Chinese  text this  character is  actually used.
Maybe, it's just another useless invention.


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