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Adam Jacobs wrote:
 
> In article <39068F10.76220F54@dmi.szote.u-szeged.hu>,
> Varga Gyorgy  <varga@dmi.szote.u-szeged.hu> wrote:
> >Yahya M wrote:
> >
> >> Proto-Finno-Ugrian *kapp3- 'to take, to seize, to grasp': Finnish kaappaus
> >> 'capture, coup, hijacking'; Mordvin kapode- 'to grab quickly'.
> >> Proto-Finno-Ugrian *k�pp� 'hand, paw': Finnish k�pp� 'hand, paw',
> >> Estonian k�pp  'claw, paw, hand'.
> >
> >Yep, and Hungarian kap /kOp/ 'to receive, to get'.
> >Varga Gy�rgy
> 
> Not so, since if the Hungarian word were derived from a putative FU
> '*kapp3-' (a root which I haven't seen reconstructed in the FU literature --
> where did you get it from, Yahya M?) it would certainly be 'hap' and not
> 'kap'!
> 
> I feel that a connection of the Hungarian word to the Turkish kap- (qap-)
> can hardly be ruled out and it's not clear to me why TESz (the Hungarian
> historical/etymological dictionary) rejects that ex cathedra, pronouncing
> the word "probably of onomatopeic origin', but TESz is certainly right in
> ruling out an FU derivation, for the above reason.  There are *no* words with
> initial k- and back vocalism in the FU-derived Hungarian word stock.
> Absolutely regular sound change, k->h/$_V[+back].

Well, B�rczi says there are one or two exceptions, though 'kap' doesn't
belong to them. So you're right, definitely. Thanks for the correction!

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Varga Gy�rgy