Article View: sci.logic
Article #1091Re: EINSTEINIANA AND REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM
From: Musatov
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:27
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:27
41 lines
3874 bytes
3874 bytes
On Jun 11, 11:58 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/ > > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/barn_pole.html > "These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors > at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a > switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in > the barn. Now someone takes the pole and tries to run (at nearly the > speed of light) through the barn with the pole horizontal. Special > Relativity (SR) says that a moving object is contracted in the > direction of motion: this is called the Lorentz Contraction. So, if > the pole is set in motion lengthwise, then it will contract in the > reference frame of a stationary observer.....So, as the pole passes > through the barn, there is an instant when it is completely within the > barn. At that instant, you close both doors simultaneously, with your > switch. Of course, you open them again pretty quickly, but at least > momentarily you had the contracted pole shut up in your barn. The > runner emerges from the far door unscathed.....If the doors are kept > shut the rod will obviously smash into the barn door at one end. If > the door withstands this the leading end of the rod will come to rest > in the frame of reference of the stationary observer. There can be no > such thing as a rigid rod in relativity so the trailing end will not > stop immediately and the rod will be compressed beyond the amount it > was Lorentz contracted. If it does not explode under the strain and > it is sufficiently elastic it will come to rest and start to spring > back to its natural shape but since it is too big for the barn the > other end is now going to crash into the back door and the rod will be > trapped in a compressed state inside the barn." > > The premise on which this conclusion is based is Einstein's 1905 light > postulate so if rationality in science had not been destroyed, > Einsteinians would have presented the above deduction as REDUCTIO AD > ABSURDUM and, accordingly, would have rejected the light postulate as > false. In the era of Postscientism the compressed 80m long pole inside > the 40m long barn can only be a glorious manifestation of the validity > of Divine Albert's Divine Theory. > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com What is "barn"? Why did you chose a "barn" if it is just a prob? Why not just say "an arbitrary object"?
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<ab21ad6d-c3e0-4013-bc71-cfc0792f3b31@w31g2000prd.googlegroups.com>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!w31g2000prd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mailReferences:
<ddf09d58-e562-4a7e-be1c-0ee1b2733ce1@g1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 237b8ad48,31f8d27f2b58289f X-Google-Attributes: gid237b8ad48,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!w31g2000prd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Musatov <marty.musatov@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic,alt.philosophy,sci.astro,fr.sci.astrophysique Subject: Re: EINSTEINIANA AND REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 41 Message-ID: <ab21ad6d-c3e0-4013-bc71-cfc0792f3b31@w31g2000prd.googlegroups.com> References: <ddf09d58-e562-4a7e-be1c-0ee1b2733ce1@g1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.18.215.162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1244856456 27850 127.0.0.1 (13 Jun 2009 01:27:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: w31g2000prd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=99.18.215.162; posting-account=sxrJ7goAAABI7pirjnwOXjy89oxl-rMO User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; GTB6; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; eSobiSubscriber 2.0.4.16; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)