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Article #1092Re: EINSTEINIANA AND REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:53
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:53
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On Jun 12, 9:51 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/ > > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/barn_pole.html > "These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors > at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a > switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in > the barn. Now someone takes the pole and tries to run (at nearly the > speed of light) through the barn with the pole horizontal. Special > Relativity (SR) says that a moving object is contracted in the > direction of motion: this is called the Lorentz Contraction. So, if > the pole is set in motion lengthwise, then it will contract in the > reference frame of a stationary observer.....So, as the pole passes > through the barn, there is an instant when it is completely within the > barn. At that instant, you close both doors simultaneously, with your > switch. Of course, you open them again pretty quickly, but at least > momentarily you had the contracted pole shut up in your barn. The > runner emerges from the far door unscathed.....If the doors are kept > shut the rod will obviously smash into the barn door at one end. If > the door withstands this the leading end of the rod will come to rest > in the frame of reference of the stationary observer. There can be no > such thing as a rigid rod in relativity so the trailing end will not > stop immediately and the rod will be compressed beyond the amount it > was Lorentz contracted. If it does not explode under the strain and > it is sufficiently elastic it will come to rest and start to spring > back to its natural shape but since it is too big for the barn the > other end is now going to crash into the back door and the rod will be > trapped in a compressed state inside the barn." > > The premise on which this conclusion is based is Einstein's 1905 light > postulate so if rationality in science had not been destroyed, > Einsteinians would have presented the above deduction as REDUCTIO AD > ABSURDUM and, accordingly, would have rejected the light postulate as > false. In the era of Postscientism the compressed 80m long pole inside > the 40m long barn can only be a glorious manifestation of the validity > of Divine Albert's Divine Theory. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/Relativ/bugrivet.html "The bug-rivet paradox is a variation on the twin paradox and is similar to the pole-barn paradox.....The end of the rivet hits the bottom of the hole before the head of the rivet hits the wall. So it looks like the bug is squashed.....All this is nonsense from the bug's point of view. The rivet head hits the wall when the rivet end is just 0.35 cm down in the hole! The rivet doesn't get close to the bug....The paradox is not resolved." REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM par excellence: the bug is both dead and alive. Einstein's 1905 light postulate from which this conclusion is deduced should be rejected as false. http://www.bartleby.com/173/23.html Albert Einstein: "Let us consider a space-time domain in which no gravitational fields exists relative to a reference-body K whose state of motion has been suitably chosen. K is then a Galileian reference- body as regards the domain considered, and the results of the special theory of relativity hold relative to K. Let us suppose the same domain referred to a second body of reference K', which is rotating uniformly with respect to K. In order to fix our ideas, we shall imagine K' to be in the form of a plane circular disc, which rotates uniformly in its own plane about its centre. An observer who is sitting eccentrically on the disc K' is sensible of a force which acts outwards in a radial direction, and which would be interpreted as an effect of inertia (centrifugal force) by an observer who was at rest with respect to the original reference-body K......To start with, he places one of two identically constructed clocks at the centre of the circular disc, and the other on the edge of the disc, so that they are at rest relative to it. We now ask ourselves whether both clocks go at the same rate from the standpoint of the non-rotating Galileian reference-body K. As judged from this body, the clock at the centre of the disc has no velocity, whereas the clock at the edge of the disc is in motion relative to K in consequence of the rotation. According to a result obtained in Section XII, it follows that the latter clock goes at a rate permanently slower than that of the clock at the centre of the circular disc, i.e. as observed from K." REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM par excellence. If Einstein had been honest, his text would be: "According to a result obtained in Section XII, it follows that either clock goes at a rate permanently slower than the other clock". The only camouflage Einsteinians use in this case is based on the fact that the clock placed "on the edge of the disc" experiences some "gravitational field", a fact which, according to Einsteiniana's perverse logic, implies that the reciprocal time dilation following from Einstein's 1905 false light postulate (either clock runs slower than the other) should somehow become non-reciprocal (the clock experiencing no gravitational field should become faster than the clock experiencing a gravitational field). However clever Einsteinians know that, by increasing the diameter of the disc and keeping the linear speed of the periphery constant, one can reduce the gravitational field to zero. Then another slight modification of the thought experiment (the non-rotating clock should be placed in the vicinity of the rotating periphery) makes the absurdity of the "reciprocal" conclusion obvious. Einstein's 1905 light postulate, the source of all such absurdities, should be rejected as false. Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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