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Article #1104Re: How can space be bent?
From: sdrodrian
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:00
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:00
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In article <388855d7.13703414@news.prosurfr.com>, jsavard@domain.ctry (John Savard) wrote: > sdrodrian@aol.com wrote, in part: > > >However, mine remains a far humbler proposition: > >That those things a person clearly understands, he/she > >will be able to explain/express clearly. > > Ah, but that does have controversial content, in the way you are using > it. > > You appear to assume that this humble claim implies that, because some > parts of physics really do require a considerable amount of > complicated mathematics to fully explain, that these parts of physics > are phony, If that is what you thought I implied, your thoughts were mistaken: Read your quote of what I said (above) again. If, in order to clearly explain a mathematical matter, the use of mathematics is required... why in the world would I find doing so objectionable? I assure you I do not. My objection is to those pronouncements in gibberish which the gibberish-chiseler likes to wave in front of people "with the clear understanding" that they cannot be further elucidated (as they would eventually be discovered to be the gibberish they are): Unfortunately, any nunber of gibberish-chiselers also like to pretend they really do understand their gibberish! (A feeling which must not be far removed from that one a person, while on a drug trip, gets... that he/she has finally achieved contact with The Ultimate Meaning of Life, or some other nonsense.) > that the scientists who claim to deal with them don't > really understand them themselves - because they can't explain them in > terms you can understand. > > I'm sorry, but your brain is not the yardstick by which the laws of > nature are judged. If you believe that... then you go against the grain of all human history: The reason your brain is able to understand something (anything) is because it uses a language which evolved to clearly express such understanding--Ours is, very narrowly... a social brain (you think in your mother's language). It's unimaginable to me what thoughts must cross the mind of a human being who has NEVER had any contact with any other human being... EVER; or even whether thoughts (as we describe such things) are even possible at all! Thinking good thoughts, S D Rodrian sdr@t-three.com http://members.aol.com/prebigbang > John Savard (jsavard<at>ecn<dot>ab<dot>ca) > http://www.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/crypto.htm > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fcea6,3b1da7ac3fba745 X-Google-Attributes: gidfcea6,public X-Google-Thread: f797c,95da98b7416fba8 X-Google-Attributes: gidf797c,public X-Google-Thread: f871d,9953f9bf14a16103 X-Google-Attributes: gidf871d,public X-Google-Thread: 10cc56,ea482505785bba8a X-Google-Attributes: gid10cc56,public From: sdrodrian@aol.com Subject: Re: How can space be bent? Date: 2000/01/22 Message-ID: <86d43k$bfg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Deja-AN: 576234517 References: <38816B0F.6B1B@netvigator.com> <85sspq$7q2$2@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <85tlda$6eg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38826e91@derwent.nt.tas.gov.au> <85vhs3$glq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3885ddf9.24101726@news.prosurfr.com> <867ljg$g1c$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <spam.and.eggs-2101001015330001@dialup.tourism.tas.gov.au> <86a3k7$8tu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <388855d7.13703414@news.prosurfr.com> X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 38.26.139.248 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 22 20:31:48 2000 GMT X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsdrodrian Newsgroups: sci.logic,sci.misc,alt.cynicism,gac.physics.astronomy X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win98; U)