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Article #456Re: A set cannot contain itself as a member
From: Nik Silver
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 11:02
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 11:02
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In article <Oct05.201328.96457@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, sa114984@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Steven Arnold) writes:
> [...some of proof deleted...]
>
> X = {g,X} (1)
>
>(Of course, g may be the empty set.)
> Eq. 1 can be expanded as follows:
>
> X = {g, X'}
> /\
> {g,X''}
> /\
> {g,X'''}
>
>...and so on forever. (The ' symbol is merely meant to
>distinguish an X of one iteration from that of another.) X'',
>for example, is equivalent to {g,X'''}; X''' is equivalent to
>{g,X''''}, etc etc.
> The number of X's below X'' is infinite; nonetheless, it
>is certainly true that X' contains X'' as well as all the X's
>contained by X''; therefore X' contains one more X than X''! It [...]
(I'm ignoring the fact that g should not be a single element, for we could
quite easily replace it by g1,...,gn with out affecting the rest.)
I think one mistake you've made here (and unfortunately it only takes one
to render a proof invalid :-) is saying:
X' contains X'' as well as all the X's contained by X''
If we expand X (partially) using formal notation rather than your tree
diagram we get:
X = {g, {g, {g, {g, X}}}}
-X'''-
-----X''---
--------X'------
--------X------------
So it is true that X' contains X'' but it does not contain X'''. What is
true is that X'' contains X'''. So by saying X(m) contains any X(n) (where
(X(p) is X with p dashes) is not true unless n=m+1). So you can't then go
on to say that X' contains more than one copy of X.
--
Nik ``nik@scs.leeds.ac.uk'' Silver
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Newsgroups: sci.logic Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!nik From: nik@scs.leeds.ac.uk (Nik Silver) Subject: Re: A set cannot contain itself as a member Message-ID: <1992Oct6.110221.12305@news.nd.edu> Keywords: recursion Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies References: <1992Sep29.161016.19533@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> <1992Sep29.175554.12758@cs.rochester.edu> <Oct05.201328.96457@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:02:21 GMT Lines: 43