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Article #880Re: Nonrandom Random Numbers?
From: Duncan Murdoch
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:42
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:42
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In article <1993Jan13.002020.10338@Princeton.EDU> rdnelson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger D. Nelson) writes: >>In article <dmurdoch.393.726873235@mast.queensu.ca> dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca >(Duncan Murdoch) writes: >>>The paper is Ferrenberg, A. M., Landau, D.P., and Wong, Y.J. (1992), Monte >>>Carlo simulations: hidden errors from "good" random number generators, >>>Physical Review Letters 69 no. 23, 3382-3384. >> >>Oops, I forgot to mention: >> >>The authors did find that simple variations on the algorithms (e.g. only use >>every 5th random number) gave acceptable results. >I must be missing something, for _this_ result suggest high-frequency >autocorrelations that are eliminated by dumping the 2-4th elements. I suspect something like this: the Ising model simulations probably have a very strong periodicity in how they use the random numbers. That "strains" the RNG at one particular frequency in its spectrum. Something about the Wolff algorithm is very sensitive to any deviation from the white spectrum at that particular frequency. The CONG generator just happened to do best at that frequency; the others were off by a bit. When the Wolff algorithm amplified the problems, they showed up as errors in the mean in the 4th or 5th decimal place. The "every 5th" solution was presented as though it was one of many things the authors tried (though I don't think they said this). It may well just be chance that using every 5th number happens to bring the right spectral density to that critical spot. I think they got the conclusions bang on: you can't rely on standard tests to validate a RNG when you're going to use it in ten million repeated simulations. Duncan Murdoch dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca
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Newsgroups: sci.math.stat Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!slip202.telnet1.QueensU.CA!dmurdoch From: dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca (Duncan Murdoch) Subject: Re: Nonrandom Random Numbers? Message-ID: <dmurdoch.302.726896565@mast.queensu.ca> Lines: 35 Sender: news@knot.ccs.queensu.ca (Netnews control) Organization: Queen's University References: <1993Jan12.140114.620@hnrc.tufts.edu> <dmurdoch.393.726873235@mast.queensu.ca> <dmurdoch.396.726875230@mast.queensu.ca> <1993Jan13.002020.10338@Princeton.EDU> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:42:46 GMT