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Article #45Re: Would the burn be white if its proteins did not didn't coagulate?
From: Radium
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:48
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:48
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onehappymadman@yahoo.com wrote: > Radium wrote: > > Path: > > g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!atl-c05.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trnddc07.POSTED!c101a669!not-for-mail > > From: "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> > > Newsgroups: > > sci.med.pathology,bionet.molbio.proteins,sci.physics,sci.chem,sci.med > > References: <1136143280.750000.71290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> > > Subject: Re: Thermal Burn Injury -- Why Does it Appear *White*? > > Lines: 42 > > X-Priority: 3 > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 > > X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 > > Message-ID: <uaXtf.1$Y75.0@trnddc07> > > Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:44:10 GMT > > NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.107.158.250 > > X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net > > X-Trace: trnddc07 1136148250 71.107.158.250 (Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:44:10 > > EST) > > NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:44:10 EST > > > > >First the transparent proteins denaturate/coagulate and turn white. > > > > So what makes the burn look white, the denaturation or the coagulation? > > If the denatured proteins in the burn were not allowed to coagulate [as > > would be the case under my 'rules'], would the burn still look white? > > > > >Then keep frying and its glyco/sugar type components caramelize > > >and turn brown, and upon further frying they "char" into black stuff, > > > > Proteins have glyco/sugar components? Never knew proteins contain > > carbohydrates. > > > Maybe not "carbohydrate" exactly [Cn(H2O)n] , but nitrogen, carbon, > hydrogen, oxygen, close enough. > > http://web.mit.edu/esgbio/www/lm/proteins/aa/aminoacids.html > > Proteins have a repeating N-C-C backbone, as is explained in any > college-level biology and chemistry text... Okay > Just to throw a wrench into the works, would white blood cells also > contribute to the white color? I am not sure about this. The epidermis doesn't have any blood supply. Thus it is unlikely that a 1st-degree burn [which only injures the epidermis] would result in white blood cells being in the epidermis of the burn region. I doubt that there would be any more white blood cells in the epidermis of the burn region than there would be in epidermis of non-burned regions [i.e. ZERO]. > Take some chicken breast and throw it in the microwave for a couple of > minutes, notice the color... what do you see? (Make sure it's > thoroughly cooked before eating!) Chicken turns from pink to white when heated. Beef turns from red to brown when heated. This is probably due to thermal-denaturation of the myoglobins present in the meat. However, this is very different from what happens in the 1st-degree-burned epidermis. The epidermis does not contain any hemoglobins or myoglobins. I ^think^ -- but DON'T *know* that -- the 'whiteness' in a 1st-degree burn is due to thermal-denaturation of the proteins that make up the epidermis. If these denatured proteins were NOT allowed to coagulate [as is the case under my 'rules'] would the burn still appear white?
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X-Google-Thread: f60cd,b749b09067784e6a X-Google-Thread: fd9c4,b749b09067784e6a X-Google-Thread: 10b271,b749b09067784e6a X-Google-Thread: f4886,b749b09067784e6a X-Google-Thread: 105b48,b749b09067784e6a X-Google-Attributes: gidf60cd,gidfd9c4,gid10b271,gidf4886,gid105b48,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> Newsgroups: sci.med.pathology,bionet.molbio.proteins,sci.physics,sci.chem,sci.med Subject: Re: Would the burn be white if its proteins did not didn't coagulate? Date: 4 Jan 2006 16:48:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 74 Message-ID: <1136422108.387993.143340@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1136404116.755984.311890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1136404549.017084.43140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.169.18.187 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1136422113 21247 127.0.0.1 (5 Jan 2006 00:48:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:48:33 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1136404549.017084.43140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; en) Opera 8.50,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.169.18.187; posting-account=lXUL4Q0AAAA2JxMmVRdUd7bMtBM7ensS