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Re: Whale killing for "science" -- so for what?

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From: Hartmut Frommert
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:50
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arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>In article <phfrom.174@nyx.uni-konstanz.de> phfrom@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Hartmut Frommert) writes:
>>Contributions to these magazines are usually written by serious scientists.
>>So having a language, well-developed social behavior, etc. are not 
>>manifestations of intelligence.

>Communicating with one another is not a language, and reacting to the actions
>of one another is not "social behavior" in the sense that humans have social
>behavior.  Otherwise, computers and ants are intelligent.

Please, leave this discussion on sci.misc for the future. 

As a response to your statement I mention that I only listed few examples
for the manifestation of the intelligence of whales. As was stated on 
sci.misc in the meantime, even the weight ratio brain/body is similar to
human (!) for dolphins and orcas. 

FYI: The language of whales is based on sound (I think infra sound) and in 
     the case of dolphins sufficiently developed so that they can communicate
     even without sight contact, and over larger distances. Covering the eyes
     of one dolphin and giving optical signals to a second is communicated to
     the first so that s/hecan react appropriately. Also think of the
     "songs of the whales" -- some people compare it to culture/art.

Everybody who wants may read one of the books on the social behavior of 
whales, so that I don't give details here.

[remark on Galileo deleted]

Hope this clears some facts.
--
 Hartmut Frommert, LS Dehnen, Physics, | E-Mail: <phfrom@dknkurz1.bitnet>
 Univ of Constance, P.O.Box 55 60,     |     or  <phfrom@nyx.uni-konstanz.de>
 D-W-7750 Constance, Germany  | + SAVE THE WHALES ! BOYCOTT NORWAY !        +
 Phone: +49-(0)7531-88-3747   | + Whales R intelligent. Whale killers not.  +
+ Whale killing is murder. Eating whales is cannibalism. Eat whale killers. +
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From: phfrom@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Hartmut Frommert)
Subject: Re: Whale killing for "science" -- so for what?
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