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From: Timothy Y. Chow
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:01
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In article <1992Aug28.080242.7042@math.ucla.edu> barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman) writes: >I'm not so sure relativity was an outgrowth of his prejudices. I >don't recall any quotes of young Einstein saying ``God does >not fill the universe with Aether'', or ``God does not distinguish >among reference frames''. From Martin Gardner's _Mathematical_Circus_, in the chapter on simplicity: ``Our experience,'' he [Einstein] wrote, ``justifies us in believing that nature is the realization of the simplest conceivable mathematical ideas.'' When he chose the tensor equations for his theory of gravitation, he picked the simplest set that would do the job, then published them with complete confidence that (as he once said to the mathematician John G. Kemeny), ``God would not have passed up an opportunity to make nature that simple.'' In an earlier article you point out that Einstein ceased being really productive once he decided to reject quantum theory. Although he himself did not make any stunning contributions after GR, refutation of his objections was the motivation for much productive physics. Bell's theorem is I think a good example of this. Some of Einstein's thought experiments led to a deeper understanding of the uncertainty principle, even though Einstein's predictions about these experiments were wrong. Your theories about philosophy simply don't stand up to the historical facts. This is not surprising, since under your own admission you don't know many of the historical facts. >(Relativity is essentially contained in Electrodynamics if you >allow yourself to interpret the theory correctly.) As Torkel Franzen has pinted out, GR is not essentially contained in electrodynamics. In article <1992Aug28.133107.8402@math.ucla.edu> Barry Merriman writes: >I might add that this is another thing that separates philosophical >study from scientific study. We don't worry about reading the >original works, or dwelling on the lives and miscellaneous writings >of the originators of physical theory. And you think this is a good thing??? This flabbergasts me! Unbelievable! Each time that I have gone back to study original works or studied the history of science my understanding of science has increased enormously. Modern textbooks erase all the false starts and misconceptions of the past, leaving only a gleaming edifice that not only leaves the student with a totally false impression of what the scientific enterprise involves but which also leaves him wondering how on earth anyone ever figured any of it out. And if the student comes up with an alternative theory of his own that is different from the usual one, he will be hard-pressed to find a refutation of it in a textbook, even if it's a theory that was considered and discarded in the past. Going back to the originals, on the other hand, answers many of these questions. Examples of authors whose original work is of immense value even today: Euclid, Galois, Darwin, Maxwell, Riemann. >For some reason that I don't >understand, philosphers still devote much time to original >works from Descartes, Spinoza, Hume, Kant, Kierkegaard, etc, etc, >rather than merely focusing on the concepts themselves First of all it is impossible to understand many philosophical works without knowing these old works. Husserl assumes that the reader knows Descartes, Marx assumes the reader knows Hegel and Feuerbach, and so on. Secondly, what do you mean by the ``concepts themselves''? Synthetic vs. analytic, absolute paradox, communism, absolute spirit, transcendental ego, forms, the four causes, utilitarianism? Surely you're not suggesting that everyone reinvent the wheel---even scientists build on previous work. But where better to read about these concepts than in the works of Kant, Kierkegaard, Marx, Hegel, Husserl, Plato, Aristotle, and Mill? I think it is fortunate that philosophers have the sense to read the originals instead of taking for granted that what's in textbooks is the absolute truth, as so many scientists seem to do. -- Tim Chow tycchow@math.mit.edu Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1 1/2 tons. ---Popular Mechanics, March 1949
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Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!galois!riesz!tycchow From: tycchow@riesz.mit.edu (Timothy Y. Chow) Subject: Re: Science vs Philosophy of Message-ID: <1992Aug28.160147.22627@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: riesz Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer. References: <TORKEL.92Aug28055802@bast.sics.se> <1992Aug28.080242.7042@math.ucla.edu> <1992Aug28.133107.8402@math.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:01:47 GMT Lines: 81