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Article #317Re: Dualism
From: David Chalmers
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:35
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:35
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In article <1992Sep12.232531.3921@sco.com> evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt) writes: >One cannot measure consciousness in a system (or in a person) save by >evaluation of the system's (or person's) behavior. Your replica seems >just as conscious as you; can you suggest any further test I might >subject it to that would prove it nonsentient? No, none at all. Behaviour and internal function can provide plausible evidence one way or the other, but they can't *prove*. That's one of the things that makes the problem of consciousness so hard. But this doesn't mean that one should *define* consciousness in terms of behaviour, unless one is some kind of verificationist. The question of whether such a system possess or lacks consciousness seems entirely meaningful, independent of one's knowledge of its behaviour. >It can indeed be logically argued that "being conscious" and "acting >conscious" are separate, but unless "being conscious" is independently >measureable, the assertion can never be proven. Not at all. Measurement of consciousness could tell us that being conscious and acting conscious are *empirically* separate; but even if they empirically go together, so that every system that acts conscious in fact is conscious, that wouldn't change the fact that the existence of consciousness is a further fact over and above the behaviour. It would simply mean that there was some kind of lawful correlation between the behaviour and consciousness. Compare: whenever you hold an apple up, it will fall down: but that doesn't mean that being held up and falling down are the same thing. They're just empirically connected. The separateness of the notions of "being conscious" and "acting conscious" is demonstrated simply the fact that the notion of a system of one without the other is coherent. Take the good ol' giant lookup-table (although any system might do): now, whether or not it in fact possesses consciousness, it is meaningful to speculate that it doesn't, and the answer to that question is a contingent matter. -- Dave Chalmers (dave@cogsci.indiana.edu) Center for Research on Concepts and Cognition, Indiana University. "It is not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable."
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Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!bronze.ucs.indiana.edu!chalmers From: chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers) Subject: Re: Dualism Message-ID: <BuJ26w.Cw4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University References: <1992Sep11.194758.7442@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com> <BuG0pw.Cru@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Sep12.232531.3921@sco.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:35:20 GMT Lines: 42