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Article #351Re: nano-replicator assumptions
From: Keith Ramsay
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 03:45
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 03:45
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snodgras@crash.cts.com (John Snodgrass) writes: |> Ummmmmm. I thought John Von Neumann proved that automata of |> sufficient complexity can reproduce themselves. What is Rosen |> saying that Von Neumann did not? | | Can you even give the broadest outlines of how Von Neumann |proved this? I think not. Why not? In article <BILL.92Sep2120437@ca3.nsma.arizona.edu> bill@nsma.arizona.edu (Bill Skaggs) writes: |Well, *I* can. He gave a mathematical proof that a self-duplicating |structure exists in the Game of Life (which is a finite-state |automaton). He proved it by showing how to construct one. The |structure he describes is very large. I think Conway's "Life" post-dated von Neumann. It was other people who found a way to implement the idea in a "life" cellular automaton. The basic idea is quite simple. The machine has certain equipment for producing other machines from a "blueprint". In the case of living things, this includes the cellular "machinery" for translating DNA into proteins; in the "life" cellular automata, it involves sequences of gliders being collided so as to give rise to other automata. The machine is then instructed to manufacture a machine according to a blueprint, and then copy the blueprint into a designated "blueprint slot" in the other machine. The machine is then equipped with a blueprint of itself (aside from the blueprint). This side-steps the need for an infinite regression of blueprints. It is a popular pastime of programmers to write programs which generate their own source code, by essentially this method. Keith Ramsay ramsay@unixg.ubc.ca
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Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!wupost!gumby!destroyer!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!ramsay From: ramsay@unixg.ubc.ca (Keith Ramsay) Subject: Re: nano-replicator assumptions Message-ID: <1992Sep3.034526.24971@unixg.ubc.ca> Sender: news@unixg.ubc.ca (Usenet News Maintenance) Nntp-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada References: <1992Aug26.171151.1898@skynet.uucp> <snodgras.715041902@crash> <BILL.92Sep2120437@ca3.nsma.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:45:26 GMT Lines: 38