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Article #392Re: Dualism
From: Timothy Y. Chow
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:45
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:45
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I must admit that I am rather surprised at the objections raised to my
lookup table. They aren't the ones I was expecting. I thought about it a
bit more and came up with something that perhaps will circumvent to some
extent the objections raised by Merriman and Rickert.
Superintelligent aliens land on earth and, suppressing snickers, present
mankind with a black box that takes typewritten input and outputs
typewritten messages. The aliens ask us to try to figure out whether or
not the black box is conscious. So the world's cleverest people come and
try asking the box different questions and offering various typewritten
messages to feed it. After several years of intensive experimentation,
the human beings come to the aliens.
Humans: Well, if it wasn't just a black box, we'd swear there was a human
being trapped inside. It's described to us life support systems
inside the box, and its life before you guys captured it, its
feelings of loneliness, poems that it's written, songs it knows---
everything. It certainly passes the Turing test. We're inclined
to say that it's conscious.
Aliens (guffawing): Oh, really? Well, as a matter of fact, the black box is
just a lookup table! What do you think of THAT?
Humans: But that's impossible! Physics tells us that [blah blah blah].
Aliens (smirking): Ah, yes, you human beings are still at that very
primitive stage where you haven't discovered the domains where
relativity and quantum mechanics fail. Well, we've surmounted
those piddling "physical limitations," and I can assure you that
the black box is a lookup table. We can spend a few centuries
teaching you the physics behind it if you like...
How might we respond?
1. Well, who cares if it's a lookup table? It passes the Turing test, so
for all intents and purposes it's conscious.
2. Hmm...I guess we've been fooled. If it's just a lookup table then it
can't be conscious. I guess consciousness is a further fact beyond
what can be probed with a Turing test.
3. Hmmm...I guess we've been fooled. If it's just a lookup table then it
can't be conscious. But we were fooled because all we could do was
exchange typewritten messages with it. We couldn't take it out to
dinner, or hit it over the head, or give it perfume to smell. And we
couldn't examine its internal structure. If we could do all that then
we wouldn't make a mistake about its consciousness.
Responses 1 and 3 were what I expected from the physicalists reading this
group. I guess I should emphasize again that my purpose in citing this
example is to ILLUSTRATE the kinds of intuitions that might lead one to
argue for dualism. If it doesn't awaken the appropriate intuitions, then
forget the example.
--
Tim Chow tycchow@math.mit.edu
Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs
30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh
only 1 1/2 tons. ---Popular Mechanics, March 1949
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