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Article #709Re: A note on Modal Logic that has nothing to do with Icky Sex
From: Randall Holmes
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:46
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:46
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It should be made clear that the identity of the One True Set Theory is not the issue in the argument about "quantification over everything". Zeleny's position makes no sense from the standpoint of the very Cantorian set theory he professes to regard as the Truth (and which I agree is an accurate description of part of the whole). When we quantify, we do not quantify over a set. The statement "for all x, P" means that P is true no matter what x is (there may be implicit restrictions in given disciplines; in ZFC we are, for example, talking only about well-founded sets -- but note that well-founded sets do NOT make up a set), not "P is true whenever x is taken from a certain collection". Moreover, unrestricted quantifiers can occur in conditions which "define" sets in ZFC; if we restrict ourselves to defining sets using conditions with quantifiers restricted to sets, we cannot prove the existence of aleph-omega (we are essentially working in type theory). As Zeleny has said himself, there is no completed totality of all the sets of ZFC; this is an Absolute Infinite totality, in Cantor's sense. How does he square this with his insistence that there must be such a totality (in a a higher type, apparently) to quantify over? This seems to arise from his belief that ZFC "has semantics" in the sense that the intended interpretation of ZFC is a model of ZFC. But a model of theory T is a _set_; the intended interpretation of ZFC describes an Absolute Infinite totality which cannot be construed as a set! If we admit his classes, super-classes, and so forth, he is doing omega-order ZFC. He has not gained anything by this regress; I'm looking for his model of omega-order ZFC... -- The opinions expressed | --Sincerely, above are not the "official" | M. Randall Holmes opinions of any person | Math. Dept., Boise State Univ. or institution. | holmes@opal.idbsu.edu
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Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!gatech!swrinde!news.dell.com!pmafire!mica.inel.gov!guinness!opal.idbsu.edu!holmes From: holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes) Subject: Re: A note on Modal Logic that has nothing to do with Icky Sex Message-ID: <1992Dec22.234613.3838@guinness.idbsu.edu> Sender: usenet@guinness.idbsu.edu (Usenet News mail) Nntp-Posting-Host: opal Organization: Boise State University References: <1992Dec17.154532.18618@husc3.harvard.edu> <1gr2fmINNl8s@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> <1992Dec18.015229.18660@husc3.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:46:13 GMT Lines: 38