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Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:

>However My Son!  
>'fact' is not a fact unless it is prescribed by a theory...in other words  
>there are NO facts in science unless we prescribe one by a theory...and when  
>you withdraw the theory away, all the facts attached to it disappear into the 
>thin air....it is like this; if we didn't invent QM then we wouldn't have   
>electrons..but, of course, if electrons are _some_ facts for you :-> then  
>what would you do without QM, you would look like a fish out of pond :-)  
>  
>as you say, fortunately, the middle-ages are over with all their bogeys called
>- scientific-facts...:-)..now we can live happily here-after without clinging 
>to some theories as if they were revealed words of the God...and also  
>we don't confuse the revealed words of the God with scientific-facts....  
>:-)....happy ending....:-)  
>  

However my son ! Facts are never presecribed by theory, facts are the 
results of observation.

For example, electrons were there much before quantum mechanics
(at least 30 years before) when they were observed in Braun tubes
and similar devices. By the way, your TV and your terminal
(except if LCD) is a Braun tube, and a
ray of electrons produces the image. No quantum mechanics is
necessary to observe this fact ... :-)

Your (wrong) statement that "if we didn't invent QM then we wouldn't have   
electrons" is a nice example which shows the difference between a
fact (based on observation) and a speculation "prescribed" by 
what you (but not scientists) call a "theory", namely your 
conviction that theories precede facts ... :-)

I guess you many :-) signs mean to show that you have some theory
which comes before all your facts. Can you at least spell it out in more
detail, to enlighten us more ? :-) 


		Cheers

			Christoph Schiller