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Article #905Re: Searle on animal consciousness
From: Gary Merrill
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:25
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:25
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In article <1993Jan27.193658.12593@mp.cs.niu.edu>, rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes: |> > Suppose someone offered you |> >[insert absurd sum of money or some other desideratum] to be |> >tortured painfully and at length under the conditions that (a) no |> >permanent harm or disfigurement would result, and (b) that you |> >would be given a drug so that although the torture would be felt, |> >you would have no memory of it after it was over. Would you take |> >the job? |> |> I certainly wouldn't. |> |> > If not, why not? |> |> I don't like the idea of people monkeying around with my mind, and I |> would not trust their assurances anyway. |> I think I generally wouldn't either. (Circumstances could alter this, of course. If I knew I was going to die soon and that the financial security of my family could be established in this way, I think things would be different, though that is perhaps a bit extreme.) One thing that always bothered me about this situation is that it seemed too much like being paid for someone else to feel my pain. Sure, *I* wouldn't remember it. In fact *no one* would remember feeling the pain. But certainly someone *would* feel the pain. (Now *who* would that be? Perhaps some interesting questions of personal identity arise here.) Somehow it seemed to me that if I wouldn't take the deal in the absence of the memory suppressing drug, I shouldn't take the deal with that as part of it. I am not sure that this is an entirely consistent position. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm
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Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!concert!sas!mozart.unx.sas.com!sasghm From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: Searle on animal consciousness Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Sender: news@unx.sas.com (Noter of Newsworthy Events) Message-ID: <C1J4qE.Ey9@unx.sas.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:25:26 GMT References: <1k1mj7INN8cu@shelley.u.washington.edu> <1993Jan27.174733.3100@cs.ucf.edu> <C1J039.8A9@unx.sas.com> <1993Jan27.193658.12593@mp.cs.niu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 36