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Article #1211Re: NAIVE JOHN DOAN, SILLY STEPHEN HAWKING AND THE SPEED OF LIGHT
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:31
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:31
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> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6039/jd9.html > "An open letter to Professor Stephen Hawking by John Doan, Melbourne, > 29 August 97....There's only one thing that I want to raise with you > in this letter, and it's Einstein's second postulate. Why can't you > step out from Einstein's shadow and change relativity, Professor > Hawking? Why should you accept Einstein's second postulate that the > speed of light is absolute, resulting all paradoxes about time > dilation? Why should you accept that c + v = c, in the sense that a > light spent from Earth to a spaceship has to be measured as c > regardless how fast the spaceship is travelling relative to Earth? How > much evidence have you truly seen?....Your students would still keep > asking the same questions your teachers have asked before. Many people > are still confused. Some understand but cannot explain to idiots. Some > don't understand but have stopped asking to stop being called idiots, > too. And why should we deserve this? Why should we waste time > imagining what our world would be like since Einstein said light is > absolute? Why don't we go back and ask what if Einstein is wrong, that > light is not absolute, that in fact c + c = 2c?....I have a dream, > that one day Professor Hawking would write the first non-Einstein > relativity book with an opposite second postulate, and I would be one > of first readers congratulating you for helping me understand > it.....If you say c + c = 2c, you certainly could make more sense than > Einstein's postulate saying c + c = c. Yet where is non-Einstein > relativity? Why can't you invent it, Professor Hawking? What has > stopped you?" > > The Fundamental Mystery of Postscientism: Are Hawking-like teachers > extremely silly and not so dishonest, or are they extremely dishonest > and not so silly: > > http://www.physorg.com/news156450506.html > "Hawking's lecture focused on black holes, a term coined by American > physicist John Wheeler. Hawking discussed the history of black holes > beginning with British physicist John Michell in 1783, who suggested > that there might be βDark Starsβ whose gravity is strong enough to > trap light and prevent the stars from being seen from far away. Two > Americans, Albert Michelson and Edward Morley, proved that the speed > of light is invariant and does not depend upon where it comes from. > Therefore, Michell's picture of Dark Stars is not entirely correct. The problem of the variability or constancy of the speed of light in a gravitational field (does the speed of light "vary with position" in a gravitational field, as Einstein believed and clever Einsteinians nowadays teach, or does it remain constant, as silly Einsteinians teach) shows that Einsteinians' stupidity or dishonesty is not the major problem. Rather, scientific rationality has been irreversibly destroyed so students just learn "the speed of light is variable" when clever teachers want them to do so and "the speed of light is constant" after clever teachers get replaced by silly teachers: http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168 Stephen Hawking, "A Brief History of Time", Chapter 6: "Under the theory that light is made up of waves, it was not clear how it would respond to gravity. But if light is composed of particles, one might expect them to be affected by gravity in the same way that cannonballs, rockets, and planets are.....In fact, it is not really consistent to treat light like cannonballs in Newtons theory of gravity because the speed of light is fixed. (A cannonball fired upward from the earth will be slowed down by gravity and will eventually stop and fall back; a photon, however, must continue upward at a constant speed...)" http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_sp_gr.html "Is light affected by gravity? If so, how can the speed of light be constant? Wouldn't the light coming off of the Sun be slower than the light we make here? If not, why doesn't light escape a black hole? Yes, light is affected by gravity, but not in its speed. General Relativity (our best guess as to how the Universe works) gives two effects of gravity on light. It can bend light (which includes effects such as gravitational lensing), and it can change the energy of light. But it changes the energy by shifting the frequency of the light (gravitational redshift) not by changing light speed. Gravity bends light by warping space so that what the light beam sees as "straight" is not straight to an outside observer. The speed of light is still constant." Dr. Eric Christian http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is not constant in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]. If this were not so, there would be no bending of light by the gravitational field of stars....Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is, c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c^2 ) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured." http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light_variable.htm "Einstein wrote this paper in 1911 in German (download from: http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/annalen/history/einstein-papers/1911_35_898-908.pdf ). It predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. You can find an English translation of this paper in the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity' beginning on page 99; you will find in section 3 of that paper Einstein's derivation of the variable speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is: c'=c0(1+phi/c^2) where phi is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light co is measured......You can find a more sophisticated derivation later by Einstein (1955) from the full theory of general relativity in the weak field approximation....For the 1955 results but not in coordinates see page 93, eqn (6.28): c(r)=[1+2phi(r)/c^2]c. Namely the 1955 approximation shows a variation in km/sec twice as much as first predicted in 1911." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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