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Article #1418Re: EINSTEINIANA: TIME DOES NOT SIT WELL WITH RELATIVITY
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:50
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:50
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On Jan 28, 4:54 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026831.500-what-makes-the-universe-tick.html > "General relativity knits together space, time and gravity. > Confounding all common sense, how time passes in Einstein's universe > depends on what you are doing and where you are. Clocks run faster > when the pull of gravity is weaker, so if you live up a skyscraper you > age ever so slightly faster than you would if you lived on the ground > floor, where Earth's gravitational tug is stronger. "General > relativity completely changed our understanding of time," says Carlo > Rovelli, a theoretical physicist at the University of the > Mediterranean in Marseille, France.....It is still not clear who is > right, says John Norton, a philosopher based at the University of > Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Norton is hesitant to express it, but his > instinct - and the consensus in physics - seems to be that space and > time exist on their own. The trouble with this idea, though, is that > it doesn't sit well with relativity, which describes space-time as a > malleable fabric whose geometry can be changed by the gravity of > stars, planets and matter." > > http://philosophy.ucsd.edu/faculty/ccallender/index_files/physics%20against%20tense.doc > Craig Callender: "In my opinion, by far the best way for the tenser to > respond to Putnam et al is to adopt the Lorentz 1915 interpretation of > time dilation and Fitzgerald contraction. Lorentz attributed these > effects (and hence the famous null results regarding an aether) to the > Lorentz invariance of the dynamical laws governing matter and > radiation, not to spacetime structure. On this view, Lorentz > invariance is not a spacetime symmetry but a dynamical symmetry, and > the special relativistic effects of dilation and contraction are not > purely kinematical. The background spacetime is Newtonian or neo- > Newtonian, not Minkowskian. Both Newtonian and neo-Newtonian spacetime > include a global absolute simultaneity among their invariant > structures (with Newtonian spacetime singling out one of neo-Newtonian > spacetimes many preferred inertial frames as the rest frame). On this > picture, there is no relativity of simultaneity and spacetime is > uniquely decomposable into space and time." > > http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/35992/title/It%E2%80%99s_Likely_That_Times_Are_Changing > "A century ago, mathematician Hermann Minkowski famously merged space > with time, establishing a new foundation for physics; today physicists > are rethinking how the two should fit together....Einstein’s belief > that time is illusory did not stem from a mere devotion to Newtonian > determinism. After all, he had disregarded Newton before, rewriting > the laws of motion that underpinned deterministic philosophy in the > first place. In so doing, Einstein introduced a new notion of time, > more radical than even he at first realized. In fact, the view of time > that Einstein adopted was first articulated by his onetime math > teacher in a famous lecture delivered one century ago. That lecture, > by the German mathematician Hermann Minkowski, established a new arena > for the presentation of physics, a new vision of the nature of reality > redefining the mathematics of existence. The lecture was titled “Space > and Time,” and it introduced to the world the marriage of the two, now > known as spacetime. It was a good marriage, but lately physicists’ > passion for spacetime has begun to diminish. And some are starting to > whisper about possible grounds for divorce." > > Clearly Einsteinians are ready for divorce but salaries should remain > unchanged. That is the only problem. The divorce did not take place here: http://www.philosophie.ch/eidos/events2008/summerschool.shtml GSSPP08 - Geneva Summer School in the Philosophy of Physics 2008, July 28 - August 2 Topic: What is the Nature of Space and Time? John Norton, the cleverest Einsteinian, did not know how to get rid of Einstein's space-time concoction without threatening the salaries of Einsteinians. Craig Callender was not invited at all - judging from what he writes above, he does not see the danger and should not be allowed to talk in public. Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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